Odd rhyme claim

[Joel S. Berson]

At 12/15/2009 11:00 PM, Jerome Foster wrote:
>For a current example listen to Click and Clack, the Magliozzi brothers on
>NPR.

Do they say "ought" ("awt") -- which I can't relate to "patriot",
even in New England, or "ott", as in the baseball player Mel -- which
I can imagine in New England for both "patriot" and "thought"
("thott" -- the vowel a little like "cah" for "carr"?)  I'll have to
listen next Saturday.

Joel

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tom Zurinskas" <truespel at HOTMAIL.COM>
>To: <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 7:22 PM
>Subject: Re: Odd rhyme claim
>
>
>>---------------------- Information from the mail
>>header -----------------------
>>Sender:       American Dialect Society <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>>Poster:       Tom Zurinskas <truespel at HOTMAIL.COM>
>>Subject:      Re: Odd rhyme claim
>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>"Patriot" rhyming with thought" wouldn't work for me from Conn. but for my
>>=
>>neighbor from Mass it would.  For her "ot" would be spoken "ought".  The
>>le=
>>tter "o" often took the "awe" sound.  She would call me ~Taumee (~au as in
>>=
>>"awe") and her son as ~Baubee (Bobby).  This is over 40 years ago.
>>
>>Tom Zurinskas=2C USA - CT20=2C TN3=2C NJ33=2C FL7+=20
>>see truespel.com phonetic spelling
>>
>>
>>=20
>>=20
>>>Date: Tue=2C 15 Dec 2009 16:27:28 -0500
>>>From: wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM
>>>Subject: Odd rhyme claim
>>>To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>>=20
>>>---------------------- Information from the mail
>>>header -----------------=
>>------
>>>Sender: American Dialect Society <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>>>Poster: Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM>
>>>Subject: Odd rhyme claim
>>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
>>------
>>>=20
>>>The poet John Hollander asserts that New England is "the only region of
>>>t=
>>he
>>>nation" (or was in Emerson's time) "in whose dialect _patriot_ rhymes
>>>wit=
>>h
>>>_thought_."
>>>=20
>>>Really? I'd have guessed that _patriot_ "rhymes" with _thought_ nowhere
>>>o=
>>n
>>>Panet Earth. Or is Hollander being facetious at Emerson's expense? Yeah=
>>=2C
>>>that must be it. Sorry.
>>>=20
>>>On the other hand....I'm curious.
>>>=20
>>>JL
>>>=20
>>>------------------------------------------------------------
>>>The American Dialect Society - http://www.americandialect.org
>>                                         =20
>>_________________________________________________________________
>>Hotmail: Free=2C trusted and rich email service.
>>http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/=
>>
>>------------------------------------------------------------
>>The American Dialect Society - http://www.americandialect.org
>
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>No virus found in this incoming message.
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>Version: 9.0.716 / Virus Database: 270.14.109/2567 - Release Date: 12/15/09
>11:58:00
>
>------------------------------------------------------------
>The American Dialect Society - http://www.americandialect.org

------------------------------------------------------------
The American Dialect Society - http://www.americandialect.org