last laugh on awe-dropping

[Matthew Gordon]

I agree with Mark's assessment but not with his advice. While TZ may not
wish to learn anything about linguistics, there are other non-linguist
readers of this list who may, and challenging TZ's misuse of linguistic
terminology and his ignorance of American dialectology may help those
readers.


On 2/9/09 11:58 AM, "Mark Mandel" <thnidu at GMAIL.COM> wrote:

> Getting back to the topic... Ron re-sent to me "using aol and the dsl
> in the hotel" the Sunday message that I and several others received in
> base64; I quote the relevant parts below for context.
>
> No, Ron, this guy has learned nothing whatsoever about standard
> phonological terminology or any other part of language science, and he
> never will. Not because he's stupid or malicious -- I don't think he
> is -- but because he is willfully ignorant, and proud of it. I might
> instead call him stubbornly naive. He posts here, but he ignores
> anything anyone else says that doesn't fit his own conceptions. He has
> been running his "Truespel" for many years and prides himself on never
> having polluted his pure native-speaker awareness with any theory or
> book-larnin'. (There, I've made my contempt for his attitude
> explicit.) By now, I'm sure, he is too deeply psychologically invested
> in it to admit that he could ever, possibly, be in any way wrong.
>
> I will only repeat the advice I have offered here many times since
> shortly after his first appearances here: save yourself the trouble.
> Killfile his posts, and do your best to ignore his rubbish when other
> listmembers make the mistake of replying to him.
>
> Mark Mandel
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 11:59 AM,  <RonButters at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> Has this guy learned NOTHING about the stardard phonological terminology in
>> all the years he has been posting to this list?
>>
>> As we are talking about it here, schwa is a phone, not a phoneme. The "uh"
>> that he hears is a schwa. There is nothing "vague" about it. If it is not
>> pronounced "uh" it is not a schwa.
>>
>> In a message dated 2/8/09 12:07:31 PM, truespel at HOTMAIL.COM writes:
>>
>>> As I hear spoken in m-w.com  ~Lu Gwaardeeyu~  where ~u = "uh", ~aar =
>>> "are"
>>>
>>> Again I here a y glide.  I think m-w.com initially had y glides in the
>>> phonetic spelling but took them out.
>>>
>>> Schwa is a vague phoneme, often spoken with a short i or short oo.  In
>>> truespel there are no schwas because all are spelled out as heard on
>>> talking
>>> dictionaries.
>>>
>>> Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
>>> see truespel.com
>
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