last laugh on awe-dropping

[Tom Zurinskas]

I'd like certain folks to write  in IPA notation for us to show us how good it is.  Or in SAMPA.  And show us also how good it would be to teach our children pronunciation with it.  Ridiculous.

Phonetics shouldn't be painful.  I've copy pasted phonetic text here and it doesn't come out.  Why should that be?  I see folks using nonstandard notation all the time to show pronunciation that is completely understandable.  why is that bad?

There are some insulting unapologetic people in this forum.  We are all diminished by their being here.


Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
see truespel.com













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> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 12:58:56 -0500
> From: thnidu at GMAIL.COM
> Subject: Re: last laugh on awe-dropping
> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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> Poster: Mark Mandel
> Subject: Re: last laugh on awe-dropping
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> Getting back to the topic... Ron re-sent to me "using aol and the dsl
> in the hotel" the Sunday message that I and several others received in
> base64; I quote the relevant parts below for context.
>
> No, Ron, this guy has learned nothing whatsoever about standard
> phonological terminology or any other part of language science, and he
> never will. Not because he's stupid or malicious -- I don't think he
> is -- but because he is willfully ignorant, and proud of it. I might
> instead call him stubbornly naive. He posts here, but he ignores
> anything anyone else says that doesn't fit his own conceptions. He has
> been running his "Truespel" for many years and prides himself on never
> having polluted his pure native-speaker awareness with any theory or
> book-larnin'. (There, I've made my contempt for his attitude
> explicit.) By now, I'm sure, he is too deeply psychologically invested
> in it to admit that he could ever, possibly, be in any way wrong.
>
> I will only repeat the advice I have offered here many times since
> shortly after his first appearances here: save yourself the trouble.
> Killfile his posts, and do your best to ignore his rubbish when other
> listmembers make the mistake of replying to him.
>
> Mark Mandel
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 11:59 AM, wrote:
>>
>> Has this guy learned NOTHING about the stardard phonological terminology in
>> all the years he has been posting to this list?
>>
>> As we are talking about it here, schwa is a phone, not a phoneme. The "uh"
>> that he hears is a schwa. There is nothing "vague" about it. If it is not
>> pronounced "uh" it is not a schwa.
>>
>> In a message dated 2/8/09 12:07:31 PM, truespel at HOTMAIL.COM writes:
>>
>>> As I hear spoken in m-w.com ~Lu Gwaardeeyu~ where ~u = "uh", ~aar =
>>> "are"
>>>
>>> Again I here a y glide. I think m-w.com initially had y glides in the
>>> phonetic spelling but took them out.
>>>
>>> Schwa is a vague phoneme, often spoken with a short i or short oo. In
>>> truespel there are no schwas because all are spelled out as heard on
>>> talking
>>> dictionaries.
>>>
>>> Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
>>> see truespel.com
>
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