All 40 USA English phonemes (Was Re: Eggcorn? "warn" > "worn")

[Tom Zurinskas]

A velar n is predicted by the sound preceding it; That would be long e (~seeng for sing) or long a (~haeng for hang).  These precede a velar n because the g is velar and the tongue takes a short cut getting to the ~g (or ~k) making the n velor and "raising" the vowel.  In general the pronunciation of a sound is mostly affected by what comes after it.  The mouth thinks ahead

Truespel notation brings easy phonetics to children and learners.  Give us some IPA and show why better for this.  To me it inhibits rather than promotes phonetics for English.  That goes for sAMPA and dictionary keys as well, because they use special symbols.  I can't even copy/paste them here and have them come out right.  But I can with truespel, a big advantage.

Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
see truespel.com





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> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 01:10:12 -0500
> From: mcovarru at PURDUE.EDU
> Subject: Re: All 40 USA English phonemes (Was Re: Eggcorn? "warn"> "worn")
> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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> Sender: American Dialect Society
> Poster: M Covarrubias
> Subject: Re: All 40 USA English phonemes (Was Re: Eggcorn? "warn">
> "worn")
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> On Feb 12, 2009, at 12:27 AM, Tom Zurinskas wrote:
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>>
>> I foespel (phonetically spell) in truespel "sing" as ~seeng and
>> "seen" as ~seen. The "n" in "sing" is velar and the tip is the g
>> (which is velar-ish too), whether its a strong or weak one.
>> Take the words "ingot" and "ingrain". They are foespeld ~eengit and
>> ~ingraen. It's as though the vowels determine whether the "n" is
>> velar or not.
>>
>
>
>
> so if there's ever a case in which the phone [n] (as an actual
> alveolar nasal) precedes the phone [g] you would have no accurate and
> predictable way of transcribing it. any reader of your transcription
> would be left to assume that [n] is velar, because your analysis
> doesn't recognize the possibility that it's not. or are we to simply
> hope that english never wanders outside friendly confines of your
> analysis.
>
> your system also leaves you unable to transcribe all the differences
> between "hanger" and "anger" because your method of doubling
> consonants would confuse the indicated stress.
>
> i vote we stick with ipa.
>
> michael
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