This trend must stop!

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Fri Feb 13 18:22:04 UTC 2009


My yes. If we allow this, pretty soon people will also think it is OK to pronounce "laugh" as [laef] and not [lax]; next, they will utter "which" as without initial aspiration and [r] as a retroflex instead of a trill. 



After all, we have already seen the lamentable simplification of the case system (how can DO we get along without an instrumental case?) and the corrupt merger of the three noun genders into one.


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From: Tom Zurinskas <truespel at HOTMAIL.COM>
To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
Sent: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 8:59 pm
Subject: Re: [ADS-L] Eggcorn? "warn" > "worn"








There are people that have dropped the sound "awe" ~au completely out of their 
foenubet (set of sounds in a language - my word).  And if the trend continues, 
we're gonna lose that sound altogether in USA English.  This trend must stop.




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> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:30:17 -0600
> From: slafaive at GMAIL.COM
> Subject: Re: Eggcorn? "warn"> "worn"
> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>>Basically folks are dropping out the "awe" phoneme altogether. This
> deserves a name. Phoneme dropping sounds about right.
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> I really wish you would listen to the people on this list who are more
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0in the field than you. THERE IS NO AWE DROPPING. The vowel sounds
> are MERGING. Hence, the LOW-BACK MERGER.
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> Scot
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> On 2/11/09, Tom Zurinskas wrote:
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>> The word "merger" doesn't get it for me. To say there is a "card/cord"
>> merger is not clear. Are both words said as "card" or as "cord" or as a
>> phoneme inbetween the two or a combination of all the above?
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>> The cot/caught merger to me means both words are said as cot. In rare
>> cases I have heard "on" said as ~aun which is the reverse.
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>> Better said, the caught-to-cot merger. Then one knows what is going
>> on. Basically folks are dropping out the "awe" phoneme altogether. This
>> deserves a name. Phoneme dropping sounds about right.
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>> Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
>> see truespel.com
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>>> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:45:09 -0500
>>> From: db.list at PMPKN.NET
>>> Subject: Re: Eggcorn? "warn"> "worn"
>>> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>>> From: Laurence Horn
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>>>> I think I've mentioned here a while back that
>>>> John Lawler informed me 40 years ago that in Utah
>>>> one lays a fort in the fart. I found it hard to
>>>> believe, but evidently it's true for at least
>>>> some Utahns.
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>>> Most of what i've looked at (my own work and others', published and
>>> unpublished) on the Utahn card-cord merger that relies on acoustic
>>> analysis finds that it's a variable merger of {cord} into {card}, not a
>>> reversal.
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>>> Complicating this is that the {cored} class seems to not participate in
>>> the merger. Looking more intensely into that is next on my agenda,
>>> starting this summer.
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