All 40 USA English phonemes (Was Re: Eggcorn? "warn" > "worn")

[Paul A Johnston, Jr.]

Tom,
Your rule is fine for Old and Middle English, and for the dialects I have mentioned in other postings.  I, for one, do not have a /g/ in "I hung it on a nail", and neither do most American English speakers.

Yours,
Paul

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From: Tom Zurinskas <truespel at HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Friday, February 13, 2009 3:50 pm
Subject: Re: All 40 USA English phonemes (Was Re: Eggcorn? "warn" > "worn")

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> The front or velar n and back or alveolar n are just allophones of
> one another.  If you need a rule it's that n before k or g in the
> same syllable is velar otherwise alveolar.  Regarding the full or
> suppressed "g" in "ng" I'd also say allophones of "g".  It can
> vary with suffexes.  "Singin' in the rain" has "sing" with a
> strong "g".  Perhaps "singer" has a week g perhaps looking toward
> "er".  I believe the mouth says a phoneme primarily in
> anticipation of phonemes to come.
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> For "hung" the "g" can be suppressed at the end of a sentence (It
> is hung.)  But for (It's hung on a nail) the "g" becomes full as a
> lead in to "on".
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> > Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:13:58 -0500
> > From: mcovarru at PURDUE.EDU
> > Subject: Re: All 40 USA English phonemes (Was Re: Eggcorn?
> "warn"> "worn")
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> > On Feb 13, 2009, at 5:36 AM, Tom Zurinskas wrote:
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> >> "Son/sun" have the same vowel as "sung" ~sun/~sung as I hear in
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> >> w.com
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> > it follows that the difference is not in the vowel but in the final
> > consonant.
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> > the first vowel in "hanger" is the same as the vowel in "anger" but
> > the first has a voiced velar stop after the velar nasal and the
> second> does not. you're system cannot capture this difference. if
> you're ok
> > with that then good luck with it.
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> > you're not looking for accuracy, you seem to be looking for ease and
> > convenience. your system is certainly easy because it tolerates
> a very
> > sloppy analysis of what sounds actually occur in english. all the
> > problematic examples that have been posted are evidence of this.
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> > it's fine that you're happy with a notation system that gets "close
> > enough" to an accurate representation. your standards are your
> own to
> > live with. but it does no good for those transcriptions that require
> > linguists to make consequential distinctions in pronunciation. the
> > convenience of a qwerty keyboard isn't all that tempting when
> > precision is more highly valued.
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