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Sat Feb 21 03:14:04 UTC 2009

I ask you to explain yourself in the light of the facts that I asked you below and you give us this crap.  You're a drag.  Get lost.

Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
see truespel.com

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> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:05:45 -0600
> From: slafaive at GMAIL.COM
> Subject: Re: ~ (UNCLASSIFIED)
> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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> Sender: American Dialect Society
> Poster: Scot LaFaive
> Subject: Re: ~ (UNCLASSIFIED)
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> I suppose you're right. In the future there will be peaceful unity of all
> cultures and languages and everyone will speak the perfect dialect of
> English, which won't be a dialect at all because English will sound the sam=
> e
> everywhere, from the highest mountain in Tibet to the lowest valley in
> Brazil. In no time at all the Internet, television, and radio will bring th=
> e
> world together into one language that will never change so that for all tim=
> e
> we shall be in the golden age of one true language. Oh yeah, and we'll also
> be wearing the same colored jumpsuits while we fly around in our cars.
>
> Scot
>
>
> On 2/20/09, Tom Zurinskas wrote:
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>> Poster: Tom Zurinskas
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>>>>The best possible outcome of this forum in my opinion would be
>> unification
>>> of dialects into one best possible for mass communication.
>>>
>>> See, if you actually understood how and why dialects arise, you would
>> find
>>> this statement inane as well.
>>>
>>> Scot
>>
>>
>> Inane Scott? Explain to us your inane position, Scott. Is the future goi=
> ng
>> to be much like the past. Do we not have jet planes, TV, radio, cellphon=
> es,
>> satelites, and broadband intenet nowadays, which we did not have in the
>> past? Do not this devices not tend to homogenize communications and brin=
> g
>> accents closer together.
>>
>> With your great understanding explain to us all the future of how this wi=
> ll
>> all work out, please, because none of us has ever been here before.
>>
>> TZ
>>
>>
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>>> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Tom Zurinskas wrote=3D
>>> :
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>>>> Poster: Tom Zurinskas
>>>> Subject: Re: ~ (UNCLASSIFIED)
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>>>> How much phonetic difference is there between these folks; One word in=
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>>>> hundred. 1%, 5% 10%? what constitutes a lot or a little difference. A=
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>>> ny
>>>> measures?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
>>>> see truespel.com
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:00:28 -0500
>>>>> From: faber at HASKINS.YALE.EDU
>>>>> Subject: Re: ~ (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>>>> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>>>>> Sender: American Dialect Society
>>>>> Poster: Alice Faber
>>>>> Organization: Haskins Laboratories
>>>>> Subject: Re: ~ (UNCLASSIFIED)
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>>>>> Amy West wrote:
>>>>>> My understanding is that a particular regional accent (Midlands?) is
>>>>>> taken to be the most neutral (most mutually intelligible?) and so is
>>>>>> used as the base for the "standard" American accent (for dictionary
>>>>>> prons, for broadcasting). Calling it standard doesn't change the fac=
> t
>>>>>> that it is in fact a regional accent that has been privileged by
>>>>>> being deemed the norm. Dictionary prons. list regional variants;
>>>>>> individual broadcasters vary from the "standard."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My understanding is that just as in historical languages we recogniz=
> e
>>>>>> that the languages of our edited texts are in fact a construct
>>>>>> reflecting a dominant dialect or reflecting aspects (there is no
>>>>>> manuscript recording Old Norse or Old English exactly as it appears
>>>>>> in our grammars), standard American English is a construct not spoke=
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>>>>>> perfectly by anyone individual, and the standard American accent is =
> a
>>>>>> construct not spoken perfectly by anyone individual.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, the thing is that a lot of Americans--at least those who think
>>>>> about these things at all--*believe* that there's a midwestern,
>>>>> broadcasting standard accent. However, if you actually listen to
>>>>> broadcasters given a national platform by the networks, there's very
>>>>> little commonality to their speech, except insofar as they speak a
>>>>> relatively educated variety of North American English. Peter Jennings
>>>>> was *obviously* from Canada, just as Dan Rather is *obviously* from
>>>>> Texas. Tom Brokaw might count as mid-western (let's not get into
>> whethe=3D
>>> r
>>>>> South Dakota counts as mid-west!); however, speech pathologists used =
> to
>>>>> regularly criticize his being given a national platform, primarily on
>>>>> the basis of his overly dark /l/s. Going back a generation, I doubt
>>>>> there was much to Edward R Murrow's stentorian radio voice that most
>>>>> Americans would identify with. And Walter Cronkite was clearly wester=
> n.
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>>>>> --
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>>>>> Alice Faber faber at haskins.yale.edu
>>>>> Haskins Laboratories tel: (203) 865-6163 x258
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