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Sat Feb 21 03:28:44 UTC 2009

>I ask you to explain yourself in the light of the facts that I asked you
below and you give us this crap.  You're a drag.  Get lost.

Is that for me, Tom? If so, what was it you wanted me to respond to? If it
was the idea that growing mass communication will bring about a common
dialect, then I didn't respond to that with debate because (and someone
correct if I'm wrong please) I believe that premise has been proven wrong
before.

Scot

On 2/20/09, Tom Zurinskas <truespel at hotmail.com> wrote:
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> I ask you to explain yourself in the light of the facts that I asked you
> below and you give us this crap.  You're a drag.  Get lost.
>
>
> Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
> see truespel.com
>
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> > Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:05:45 -0600
> > From: slafaive at GMAIL.COM
> > Subject: Re: ~ (UNCLASSIFIED)
> > To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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> > Sender: American Dialect Society
> > Poster: Scot LaFaive
> > Subject: Re: ~ (UNCLASSIFIED)
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> > I suppose you're right. In the future there will be peaceful unity of all
> > cultures and languages and everyone will speak the perfect dialect of
> > English, which won't be a dialect at all because English will sound the
> sam=
> > e
> > everywhere, from the highest mountain in Tibet to the lowest valley in
> > Brazil. In no time at all the Internet, television, and radio will bring
> th=
> > e
> > world together into one language that will never change so that for all
> tim=
> > e
> > we shall be in the golden age of one true language. Oh yeah, and we'll
> also
> > be wearing the same colored jumpsuits while we fly around in our cars.
> >
> > Scot
> >
> >
> > On 2/20/09, Tom Zurinskas wrote:
> >>
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> >> Sender: American Dialect Society
> >> Poster: Tom Zurinskas
> >> Subject: Re: ~ (UNCLASSIFIED)
> >>
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> >>
> >>>>The best possible outcome of this forum in my opinion would be
> >> unification
> >>> of dialects into one best possible for mass communication.
> >>>
> >>> See, if you actually understood how and why dialects arise, you would
> >> find
> >>> this statement inane as well.
> >>>
> >>> Scot
> >>
> >>
> >> Inane Scott? Explain to us your inane position, Scott. Is the future
> goi=
> > ng
> >> to be much like the past. Do we not have jet planes, TV, radio,
> cellphon=
> > es,
> >> satelites, and broadband intenet nowadays, which we did not have in the
> >> past? Do not this devices not tend to homogenize communications and
> brin=
> > g
> >> accents closer together.
> >>
> >> With your great understanding explain to us all the future of how this
> wi=
> > ll
> >> all work out, please, because none of us has ever been here before.
> >>
> >> TZ
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Tom Zurinskas wrote=3D
> >>> :
> >>>
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> >>>> Sender: American Dialect Society
> >>>> Poster: Tom Zurinskas
> >>>> Subject: Re: ~ (UNCLASSIFIED)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
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> > =3D
> >>> ------
> >>>>
> >>>> How much phonetic difference is there between these folks; One word
> in=
> > a
> >>>> hundred. 1%, 5% 10%? what constitutes a lot or a little difference. A=
> > =3D
> >>> ny
> >>>> measures?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
> >>>> see truespel.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
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> >>>>> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:00:28 -0500
> >>>>> From: faber at HASKINS.YALE.EDU
> >>>>> Subject: Re: ~ (UNCLASSIFIED)
> >>>>> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> >>>>>
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> >>>>> Sender: American Dialect Society
> >>>>> Poster: Alice Faber
> >>>>> Organization: Haskins Laboratories
> >>>>> Subject: Re: ~ (UNCLASSIFIED)
> >>>>>
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> >>
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> > =3D
> >>> ------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Amy West wrote:
> >>>>>> My understanding is that a particular regional accent (Midlands?) is
> >>>>>> taken to be the most neutral (most mutually intelligible?) and so is
> >>>>>> used as the base for the "standard" American accent (for dictionary
> >>>>>> prons, for broadcasting). Calling it standard doesn't change the
> fac=
> > t
> >>>>>> that it is in fact a regional accent that has been privileged by
> >>>>>> being deemed the norm. Dictionary prons. list regional variants;
> >>>>>> individual broadcasters vary from the "standard."
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> My understanding is that just as in historical languages we
> recogniz=
> > e
> >>>>>> that the languages of our edited texts are in fact a construct
> >>>>>> reflecting a dominant dialect or reflecting aspects (there is no
> >>>>>> manuscript recording Old Norse or Old English exactly as it appears
> >>>>>> in our grammars), standard American English is a construct not
> spoke=
> > n
> >>>>>> perfectly by anyone individual, and the standard American accent is
> =
> > a
> >>>>>> construct not spoken perfectly by anyone individual.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Well, the thing is that a lot of Americans--at least those who think
> >>>>> about these things at all--*believe* that there's a midwestern,
> >>>>> broadcasting standard accent. However, if you actually listen to
> >>>>> broadcasters given a national platform by the networks, there's very
> >>>>> little commonality to their speech, except insofar as they speak a
> >>>>> relatively educated variety of North American English. Peter Jennings
> >>>>> was *obviously* from Canada, just as Dan Rather is *obviously* from
> >>>>> Texas. Tom Brokaw might count as mid-western (let's not get into
> >> whethe=3D
> >>> r
> >>>>> South Dakota counts as mid-west!); however, speech pathologists used
> =
> > to
> >>>>> regularly criticize his being given a national platform, primarily on
> >>>>> the basis of his overly dark /l/s. Going back a generation, I doubt
> >>>>> there was much to Edward R Murrow's stentorian radio voice that most
> >>>>> Americans would identify with. And Walter Cronkite was clearly
> wester=
> > n.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D=
> > 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D
> >>>
> >>
> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D=
> > 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D
> >>>
> >>
> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D=
> > 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D
> >>> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D
> >>>>> Alice Faber faber at haskins.yale.edu
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