Dyslexia and English Orthography was "surprise"

Sun Feb 22 03:21:09 UTC 2009

I felt the need to use the f-word except as an angry instantaneous outburst only once.

It's when a brought a piece of gear to a welder to get it fixed.  He said he needed to take the f-in latch and hold the f-in pipe with an f-n socket and put it in an f'in vice to keep it f-in stable so it doesn't f-in move...etc.

So I started f-in talking the same f-in way.  Just to be polite!  I was in his house.

Here, there's no f-in need.  It's nice that the youngsters feel old enough to be adult.  Use gratuitous vulgarity here and you show you're not.

Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
see truespel.com

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> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 17:11:33 -0600
> From: gww at OLEMISS.EDU
> Subject: Re: Dyslexia and English Orthography was "surprise"
> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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> Poster: Gerald Walton
> Subject: Re: Dyslexia and English Orthography was "surprise"
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>> So I'm wondering why so many academics enjoy using obscene or scatalogical
>> terms in these "scholarly" postings. I'm wondering if those who ply their
>> trade in classrooms & libraries feel like they need to demonstrate that
>> they are really pretty edgy.
>
> I had a forty-year career in university teaching and administration.
> I didn't use obscenity in the classroom or elsewhere simply because,
> unlike Scot, I never felt that I needed to use obscene words as
> "exactly the word[s] necessary for a given thought." I, however, am
> not bothered in the least if others use it. I agree that "we are all
> mature enough to handle the occasional
> obscenity." In my view, far fewer obscene or scatalogical words are
> used in classrooms and libraries than are used in other parts of our world.
> Gerald
>
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> At 04:04 PM 2/21/2009, Scot LaFaive wrote:
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>>Poster: Scot LaFaive
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>>>So I'm wondering why so many academics enjoy using obscene or>scatalogical
>>terms in these "scholarly" postings. I'm wondering if those who>ply their
>>rade in classrooms & libraries feel like they need to demonstrate>that they
>>are really pretty edgy.
>>
>>Personally, I don't use vulgarity because I'm trying to look like a tough
>>guy. It's just my nature to use those words when I feel they express what I
>>want. I don't just throw them out (here anyway) willy-nilly; but I assumed
>>from other postings that we are all mature enough to handle the occasional
>>obscenity. I believe the so-called vulgar words hold a legitimate place in
>>language usage; I don't feel that they shouldn't be shyed away from when
>>they are exactly the word necessary for a given thought. I'm curious what
>>others have to say about the usage of obscenities and registers concerning
>>"adult" and "scholarly" conversation. Any other thoughts?
>>
>>Scot
>>
>>On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Bill Palmer wrote:
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>>> Well, maybe these discussions are like hockey fights. They are not what
>>> the
>>> players came for, supposedly, but they tend to keep the game clean.
>>>
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>>>
>>> Bill
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>>> From: "Scot LaFaive"
>>> To:
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>>> Subject: Re: Dyslexia and English Orthography was "surprise"
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>>>> Poster: Scot LaFaive
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>>>>>So why not just ignore it?
>>>>
>>>> I think many of us have been trying to do just that for the past year or
>>>> so
>>>> (however long he's been on here), but it's difficult when 75% of what he
>>>> says is complete bullshit. Anyway, you are right. From now on I am going
>>>> to
>>>> try to hold to my personal promise not to waste time responding to Tom's
>>>> useless comments. If you find me breaking that promise, please feel free
>>>> to
>>>> chastise me.
>>>>
>>>> Scot
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 6:28 AM, Randy Alexander
>>>> wrote:
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>>>>> Poster: Randy Alexander
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>>>>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Scot LaFaive
>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I will readily admit that Ron does speak openly, almost painfully so,
>>>>> about
>>>>>> what displeases him, but any anger directed toward Tom isn't because
>>> he
>>>>> dare
>>>>>> violate some traditionalist doctrine. It's because he continually says
>>>>> the
>>>>>> same thing without regard for what people more knowledgeable in the
>>>>>> field
>>>>>> than him are saying. It's like if I went on a biology forum with the
>>>>> little
>>>>>> I know of the science and proclaimed various ideas that experts in the
>>>>> field
>>>>>> knew to be false, but I didn't listen anyway and just kept on
>>> trucking.
>>>>> It's
>>>>>> rather offensive after awhile.
>>>>>
>>>>> So why not just ignore it? If I see a post on some topic I'm not
>>>>> really interested in, I just take a quick glance at it and then hit
>>>>> the archive button. At least the subject matter is something related
>>>>> to what the list deals with.
>>>>>
>>>>> No matter how much I think about it, I still can't see any benefit
>>>>> that could possibly arise from insults. If someone insults me and I
>>>>> insult them back harder, can I gain from this? Can we trace this back
>>>>> to flyting?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Randy Alexander
>>>>> Jilin City, China
>>>>> My Manchu studies blog:
>>>>> http://www.bjshengr.com/manchu
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