flyting and rap

Jonathan Lighter wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM
Mon Jan 12 14:44:30 UTC 2009

The "slang songs" seem scarcely to have been known in the U.S. and may have
been primarily self-conscious pastiches written by satirists rather than a
genuine "voice of the people." So they're of minor relevance. But they do
provide an interesting earlier parallel of anti-conventional verse couched
in the "language of the streets."

"The Night Before Larry Was Stretched" (ca1798) is easily the most

John S. Farmer's 1896 collection, _Musa Pedestris_, is almost definitive of
what was in print by that time.


On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 9:20 AM, Amy West <medievalist at> wrote:

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> I think my mind is going: such screw-ups on my part are becoming more
> commonplace.
> Thanks for the enlightenment: I notice that unlike others, you're not
> attempting to push the roots of rap *waaay* back, with the exception
> of the slang songs.
> Unlike the flyting comparison, the connections to the you toasts and
> the slang songs I think are much more relevant to the content of rap.
> ---Amy West
> >Date:    Sat, 10 Jan 2009 11:53:29 -0500
> >From:    Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM>
> >Subject: Re: flyting and rap
> >
> >***
> >Playing the "nines"?  That sounds like baseball. "Playing the dozens" is
> the
> >usual idiom.
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