"some many"?

Sat Jun 13 02:53:49 UTC 2009

Not among the colored. To praphrase, "If you ever a blood say 'hock'
for 'hawk,' you kick his ass."

-Wilson

On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Tom Zurinskas<truespel at hotmail.com> wrote:
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> My kids don't awe-drop. Â My wife, who never did before, occasionally does. Â It's contagious.
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>> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 01:20:50 -0700
>> From: raindoctor at GMAIL.COM
>> Subject: Re: "some many"?
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>> TZ,
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>> Does your kids, if you have any, listen to your instruction wrt
>> awe-dropping?
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>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 12:20 AM, Tom Zurinskas wrote=
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>>> The term "some many" perhaps emerged as a kidism (to coin a word). If th=
>> e
>>> "so" in "so many" is mispoken (via an accent) by an adult as "suh" then "=
>> so
>>> many" becomes "suh many" which sounds the same to kids as "some many" in
>>> fluid speech. So they think they're hearing "some many" instead of "so
>>> many" and they start writing it that way, which is phonetially true to wh=
>> at
>>> they are hearing. Kids can gloss over the fact that it doesn't make sens=
>> e.
>>> It's gotta be right if the big people say it that way.
>>>
>>> An example is kids hearing the word "hock" for "hawk" by awe-dropping
>>> adults, so they hear the term "hawk your wares" mispoken as "hock your
>>> wares", which means to pawn them instead of sell them. Then kids grow up
>>> and actually spell the phrase as they've heard it, "hock your wares". Th=
>> e
>>> adults are thinking "hawk", but as awe-droppers they're saying "hock". T=
>> he
>>> kids hear "hock" and don't realize what's going on. Dialect inventions,
>>> like awe-dropping and vowel swapping, are causing misunderstanding.
>>>
>>> Points to a need to stablize pronunciation through our educational
>>> establishments. The way our major news broadcasters in USA speak is a goo=
>> d
>>> model, although awe-dropping is even sneaking in there. I heard Charles
>>> Gibson say "Honk Kong" with the "ah" instead of "awe" vowel recently. I
>>> wonder how the Chinese say it. Thefreedictionary.com has it with "awe"
>>> vowels, but m-w.com has it with "ah" vowels and with notation that shows
>>> "ah" vowels. But m-w.com has a female awe-dropper saying the word. She
>>> also mispronounces the word "awe" as "ah" though the notation says "awe".
>>>
>>> I believe m-w.com is making many awe-dropping errors. "Boss" is said wit=
>> h
>>> the "ah" vowel with notation as such, yet "loss,toss,moss" are said with =
>> the
>>> "awe" vowel. Why change boss? It always was with the "awe" vowel as wel=
>> l.
>>> This is not good. Accent affectations can be infectations.
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>>> Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
>>> see truespel.com
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>>>> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 20:45:23 -0400
>>>> From: hfwstahlke at GMAIL.COM
>>>> Subject: Re: "some many"?
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>>>> Poster: Herb Stahlke
>>>> Subject: Re: "some many"?
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>>>> This is the first eggcorn I've seen that violates a syntactic
>>>> cooccurrence restriction. "Some" and "many" don't cooccur, so what
>>>> does it say about English speakers who write this eggcorn? Clearly
>>>> it's a feature of writing rather than of speech, although it seems to
>>>> arise from the phonetic identity of reduced "so" before /m/ and
>>>> reduced "some." What doesn't make sense is how something that isn't
>>>> syntactically possible shows up as the written form for [sm-'mEni].
>>>>
>>>> Herb
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>>>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Laurence Horn wrote:
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>>>>> At 9:17 PM +0800 6/11/09, Randy Alexander wrote:
>>>>>>On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Tom Zurinskas wrote:
>>>>>>> The "some many" quote was written at this site.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> =3D20
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>>> http://www.lockergnome.com/windows/2009/06/10/bring-the-quick-launch-tool=
>> ba=3D
>>>>>>> r-back-in-windows-7/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You bring up an intersting point. ? We don't know from quote marks
>>>>>>>if it's a=3D
>>>>>>> ? written quote or spoken quote. ? We need a different symbol. ?
>>>>>>>We'll make th=3D
>>>>>>> at `"yak yak yak"`=3D2C unless there is a precedent. ? The symbol
>>>>>>>(`) is locat=3D
>>>>>>> ed on my keyboard at top row left with the tilde (~). ? I don't
>>>>>>>know the nam=3D
>>>>>>> e.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If we provide a link, then whether the quote was spoken or written
>>>>>>should be obvious.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Or we can google "some many" and find not just some but many
>>>>> instances, at least some (if not many) of which do seem to be
>>>>> eggcornish reconstructions of "so many". Some may be from non-native
>>>>> speakers--
>>>>>
>>>>> why are some many girl getting pregant so young these days?
>>>>>
>>> http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/lifestyle-discussion/why-are-some-many-gi=
>> rl-getting-pregant-so-young-these-days/t.50698569_16/
>>> ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Many people feel confused why there are some many different prices on
>>>>> so called "BB/CC" grade of Chinese Poplar plywood?
>>>>> http://www.globalholz.de/China-Plywood-Grade_and_Construction.doc
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps we can combine this thread with the earlier one on the
>>>>> consequences of English globalizing to China.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> LH
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