"long" and "short" vowels

[Tom Zurinskas]

I would think that the word, "speech," encompasses all languages.  And I would think the word "speech" is exclusive of non language sounds, such that it doesn't need the word "human" in front of it.


Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
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> That usage has two functions. One is to distinguish between the study of
> the sounds of language covering all languages rather than just one. The
> other is to distinguish between oral production used for language and oral
> production that is not typically used for language, like saying the alphabet
> while burping (esophageal air stream) or while inhaling. Granted,
> laryngectomy patients may learn to speak with an esophageal air stream, but
> languages don't normally do that. And languages don't make meaning
> distinctions by exhaling on one syllable and inhaling on the next. Again,
> that's possible to do, but languages don't do it.
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> Herb
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> On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Tom Zurinskas wrote:
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>> Why do folks say "human" speech? Can we just say "speech" and assume it's
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>> human?
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>> Tom Zurinskas=2C USA - CT20=2C TN3=2C NJ33=2C FL5+=20
>> see truespel.com
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>>> From: Tom Zurinskas
>>>> somebody left unattributed wrote:
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>>>>> Yes=2C long [a] interpreted *quantitatively* (often
>>>>> represented as [a:] is pronounced with the same
>>>>> tongue position as short "a"=2C but just prolonged.
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>>>> So you're saying "mate" and "mat" vowels have the same tongue
>>>> position (I think close but not same). And you say "mate" vowel
>>>> takes longer to say than "mat" (I say them over and over and they
>>>> seem the same). This is quantitative=2C somehow? (time measure and
>>>> physical tongue location?)
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>>> Tom=2C please=2C *please*=2C PLEASE go get a copy of Peter Ladefoged's _A
>>> Course in Phonetics_ and give it a good read-through. It's short=2C and
>>> someone like you who's interested in the sounds of human speech should
>>> be able to hang with it=2C even the more technical bits--and it would
>>> really help avoid these talking-past-each-other moments. So=2C please?
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