"long" and "short" vowels

[Herb Stahlke]

I should have added that it's largely a matter of convention and habit.

Herb

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Tom Zurinskas <truespel at hotmail.com> wrote:

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> I would think that the word, "speech," encompasses all languages.  And I
> would think the word "speech" is exclusive of non language sounds, such that
> it doesn't need the word "human" in front of it.
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> > That usage has two functions. One is to distinguish between the study of
> > the sounds of language covering all languages rather than just one. The
> > other is to distinguish between oral production used for language and
> oral
> > production that is not typically used for language, like saying the
> alphabet
> > while burping (esophageal air stream) or while inhaling. Granted,
> > laryngectomy patients may learn to speak with an esophageal air stream,
> but
> > languages don't normally do that. And languages don't make meaning
> > distinctions by exhaling on one syllable and inhaling on the next. Again,
> > that's possible to do, but languages don't do it.
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> > Herb
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> > On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Tom Zurinskas wrote:
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> >> Why do folks say "human" speech? Can we just say "speech" and assume
> it's
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> >> human?
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> >> Tom Zurinskas=2C USA - CT20=2C TN3=2C NJ33=2C FL5+=20
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> >>> From: Tom Zurinskas
> >>>> somebody left unattributed wrote:
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> >>>>> Yes=2C long [a] interpreted *quantitatively* (often
> >>>>> represented as [a:] is pronounced with the same
> >>>>> tongue position as short "a"=2C but just prolonged.
> >>>=20
> >>>> So you're saying "mate" and "mat" vowels have the same tongue
> >>>> position (I think close but not same). And you say "mate" vowel
> >>>> takes longer to say than "mat" (I say them over and over and they
> >>>> seem the same). This is quantitative=2C somehow? (time measure and
> >>>> physical tongue location?)
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> >>> Tom=2C please=2C *please*=2C PLEASE go get a copy of Peter Ladefoged's
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> >>> Course in Phonetics_ and give it a good read-through. It's short=2C and
> >>> someone like you who's interested in the sounds of human speech should
> >>> be able to hang with it=2C even the more technical bits--and it would
> >>> really help avoid these talking-past-each-other moments. So=2C please?
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