"lager beer", 1850, 1855

[Wilson Gray]

I mean, *Joel,* of course. I beg pardon.

-W.

On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 7:36 PM, Wilson Gray<hwgray at gmail.com> wrote:
> I still say, "different strokes," John. My bracketing doesn't force
> the reading, "house *for* lager beer" instead of "house _serving_
> lager beer," any more than the other bracketing forces the reading
> "heer house _made of_ lager" instead of "house _serving_ lager beer."
>
> FWIW, the implication of "different strokes for different folks" is
> that arguing the point is a waste of time, even if one considers one's
> opponent's attempt at making a point merely a consequence of sheer
> ignorance.
>
> Not that I think that that's what you *personally* think in this
> particular case, of course! :-)
>
> -Wilson
>
> On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Joel S. Berson<Berson at att.net> wrote:
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>> At 6/20/2009 03:51 PM, Wilson Gray wrote:
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>>>And not [[lager beer] house]? That reading is unavailable in your
>>>grammar? I can't get [lager [beer house]]!
>>>
>>>"Different strokes for different folks," to coin a phrase.
>>
>> It's a beer-house serving lager, not a house for
>> lager beer. Â Therefore -- if I understand the
>> brackets correctly -- I take the quote as [lager [beer house]].
>>
>> Joel
>>
>>
>>>-Wilson
>>>
>>>On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Joel S. Berson<Berson at att.net> wrote:
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>>> >
>>> > For "lager beer", the OED has 1852 (a dictionary definition), then 1858.
>>> > -----
>>> > North American and United States Gazette, (Philadelphia, PA)
>>> > Saturday, March 02, 1850; Issue 16,869; col
>>> H Â  [19th Century U.S. Newspapers]
>>> >
>>> > The March of Malt. ... Most probably this is for the brewing of the
>>> > celebrated Lager Beer, which has now such unprecedented popularity in
>>> > Philadelphia.
>>> >
>>> > [The 1849 quotation from the "North American and United States
>>> > Gazette (Philadelphia, PA) Wednesday, November 21, 1849; Issue
>>> > 16,784; col I" is "Lager beer house", thus not "lager beer" but "beer
>>> > house". Â There are also two very slightly earlier hits, Feb. 28 and
>>> > March 1, 1850 -- but these are given as full pages of advertisements
>>> > without any highlighting that I see, and I'll be d----d if I'll
>>> > attempt to find them.]
>>> > -----
>>> > Lithograph, Currier & Ives (Philadelphia, 1855), "The Follies of the
>>> > Age, Vive la Humbug!!". Â The Library Company of Philadelphia. Â  In
>>> > Rael, Black Identity & Black Protest, 142.
>>> >
>>> > [Sign on flag.] Â Lager beer, allowed to drink 48 glasses.
>>> > -----
>>> >
>>> > Joel
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>>>-Wilson
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> --
> -Wilson
> –––
> All say, "How hard it is that we have to die"---a strange complaint to
> come from the mouths of people who have had to live.
> -----
> -Mark Twain
>



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-Wilson
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All say, "How hard it is that we have to die"---a strange complaint to
come from the mouths of people who have had to live.
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-Mark Twain

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