"lager beer", 1850, 1855

[Wilson Gray]

I still say, "different strokes," John. My bracketing doesn't force
the reading, "house *for* lager beer" instead of "house _serving_
lager beer," any more than the other bracketing forces the reading
"heer house _made of_ lager" instead of "house _serving_ lager beer."

FWIW, the implication of "different strokes for different folks" is
that arguing the point is a waste of time, even if one considers one's
opponent's attempt at making a point merely a consequence of sheer
ignorance.

Not that I think that that's what you *personally* think in this
particular case, of course! :-)

-Wilson

On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Joel S. Berson<Berson at att.net> wrote:
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>>And not [[lager beer] house]? That reading is unavailable in your
>>grammar? I can't get [lager [beer house]]!
>>
>>"Different strokes for different folks," to coin a phrase.
>
> It's a beer-house serving lager, not a house for
> lager beer. Â Therefore -- if I understand the
> brackets correctly -- I take the quote as [lager [beer house]].
>
> Joel
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>>-Wilson
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>>On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Joel S. Berson<Berson at att.net> wrote:
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>> > For "lager beer", the OED has 1852 (a dictionary definition), then 1858.
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>> > North American and United States Gazette, (Philadelphia, PA)
>> > Saturday, March 02, 1850; Issue 16,869; col
>> H Â  [19th Century U.S. Newspapers]
>> >
>> > The March of Malt. ... Most probably this is for the brewing of the
>> > celebrated Lager Beer, which has now such unprecedented popularity in
>> > Philadelphia.
>> >
>> > [The 1849 quotation from the "North American and United States
>> > Gazette (Philadelphia, PA) Wednesday, November 21, 1849; Issue
>> > 16,784; col I" is "Lager beer house", thus not "lager beer" but "beer
>> > house". Â There are also two very slightly earlier hits, Feb. 28 and
>> > March 1, 1850 -- but these are given as full pages of advertisements
>> > without any highlighting that I see, and I'll be d----d if I'll
>> > attempt to find them.]
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>> > Lithograph, Currier & Ives (Philadelphia, 1855), "The Follies of the
>> > Age, Vive la Humbug!!". Â The Library Company of Philadelphia. Â  In
>> > Rael, Black Identity & Black Protest, 142.
>> >
>> > [Sign on flag.] Â Lager beer, allowed to drink 48 glasses.
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>> > Joel
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>>ннн
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>>come from the mouths of people who have had to live.
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-Wilson
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come from the mouths of people who have had to live.
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