"to stay" vs. "to live" (reside)

Sun Mar 8 21:59:02 UTC 2009

I hear that from older, rural adults in Central Indiana.

Herb

On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Bill Palmer <w_a_palmer at bellsouth.net> wrote:
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> OK, thank you, Ron.
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> Here's another North Carolinaism, or at least I've never heard it anywhere
> else, and in fact I've only heard it once there.
>
> "early of a morning".  In the sense of "early in the morning".  e.g. "I
> enjoy sitting outside, early of a morning."
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> Speaker was an early 80ish woman from north central NC (Vance County).
> Don't know if it was unique to her idiolect, or in general use in that area.
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> Bill Palmer
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>> It occurs in the speech of both whites and blacks in the speech of people
>> who were recorded in NC in the 1970s.
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>> I have no scientific research to support my observation, but in my nearly
>> 50
>> years of life in the South (5 different states), I do not *recall* ever
>> hearing a white person use "stay" as as a substitute for "live".  My black
>> students who showed this preference were mostly from southern states...but
>> not exclusively, so it is definitely not a purely southern thing.
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>> Bill Palmer
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>>> If this is true, then why do rural whites (and blacks) in the South use
>>> "stay" = 'reside'? Is there even a shred of evidence for Margaret's
>>> explanation? It looks like just another fanciful folk  conjecture.
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>>> This topic was discussed on this list several years ago.
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>>> African Americans' use of "stay" for "live" relates to the migration of
>>> blacks from the South to the North in the early 1900's. Those
>>> newly-arrived would often "stay" with family members or friends who had
>>> migrated there earlier until they could find a place of their own--many
>>> never did, given the harsh economic realities of the time,  and ended up
>>> "staying" with a family member or friend for long periods of time
>>> (years),
>>> or moving from place to place with no permanent residence in which to
>>> "live." As a result, in the African American community, the term "stay"
>>> gradually became synonymous with "live,"  though it originally referred
>>> to
>>> residing in temporary lodging. I hear it used often by my students who
>>> have established, permanent addresses.
>>>
>>> -- Margaret Lee
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>>> ________________________________________
>>> Margaret G. Lee, Ph.D.
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>>> Department of English
>>> Hampton University
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>>> 757-727-5769(voice);757-727-5084(fax)
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>>> Subject: "to stay" vs. "to live" (reside)
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>>> Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 1:18 AM
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>>>
>>> I taught for a number of years @ a historically black university in NC.
>>> 100% of my students used phrases like "where do you *stay*", or "I don't
>>> *stay* with my parents"...situations where the average white person would
>>> use *live*
>>>
>>> How might this have originated?
>>>
>>> Bill Palmer
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