Uvular /l/ (Was: velarized /l/ again)

[Herb Stahlke]

Is the sense of a lateral fricative a result of the aspiration of
initial /p/? Or is there clear lateral constriction and resulting
turbulence?

Herb

On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 2:27 AM, Paul A Johnston, Jr.
<paul.johnston at wmich.edu> wrote:
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> As a kid, I had this in onset position--it was one of the features I went to speech therapy (in IL) for.  I don't know how widespread it is in NY/NJ/E PA, but I get the feeling I wasn't alone.  In a word like "play", it was some kind of lateral fricative, too.  I still sporadically come out with one.
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>> Some people use a different gesture involving the back of their
>> tongue to
>> make an /l/: a uvular nasal consonant. (It's represented as [N] in
>> IPA,which unfortunately is ambiguous here, since [N] is also SAMPA
>> for the velar
>> nasal.) I wrote about in a couple of short posts:
>> http://literalminded.wordpress.com/2006/05/21/totally-uvular/
>> http://literalminded.wordpress.com/2007/01/10/lsa-2007-l-and-s-at-the/
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>> Neal Whitman
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>> Blog: http://literalminded.wordpress.com
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>> > Wilson mentioned in the previous thread that /l/ tends not to be
>> > velarized in AAE, at least certainly not as much in other AmE
>> > varieties.  I've noticed this week the word "colleague"
>> pronounced on
>> > TV by two African Americans, one I think an Olympic track
>> athlete in a
>> > cell phone ad and the other Ice T on Law and Order SVU.  Both
>> > pronounced the /l/ without velarization and clearly the onset of the
>> > second syllable.  In my speech the /l/ is ambisyllabic, begins
>> > velarized and ends unvelarized.
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>> > Herb
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