saying "umlaut" (UNCLASSIFIED)

Sat Oct 10 04:52:05 UTC 2009

Tom:
There's variation in some of these words.  I have [U] (your ~oo) in
oops, oomph, Uzbek, Uzbekistan. Rest are [u] for me.

Yours,
Paul Johnston

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> I maintain that there are few words that start with short oo (as in
> good ho=
> ok).  In the paragraph below I wonder which are the long oo's (~ue
> as in tr=
> ue) and short oo's (~oo as in good) as the first vowel in certain
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> 'll check the how the speakers say it in thefreedictionary.com
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> Oops=2C Tom=2C I think you've made a mistake there. There's oodles
> andoodle=
> s of such words. My cousin=2C who lives in Ooltewah TN=2C
> couldprobably tel=
> l you some=2C over a cup of oolong tea (she makes it strong --it
> packs an o=
> omph=2C and just oozes flavor)=3B or if you like a
> strongerbeverage=2C a cu=
> p of ouzo. Don't make her mad=2C though=2C or she'll shootyou with
> her Uzi =
> (she bought it in Uzbekistan from an Uzbek). She's anOuspenskian
> philosophe=
> r=2C and wrote her thesis on the worm Ourobouros. (I really do have
> a cousi=
> n that lives in Ooltewah. The rest is BS . ..)
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> 1.  oops  ~ueps
> 2.  oodles  ~uedools  (strangely said with an ending ~s not ~z)
> ~ool as in =
> wool
> 3.  ooltewah  ?
> 4.  oolong  ~uelaang  (awe-dropping speaker says ~laang but should
> be ~laun=
> g
> 5.  oomph  ~uemf
> 6.  ooze  ~uez
> 7.  ouzo   ~uezoe
> 8.  uzi   ~uezee
> 9.  Uzbekistan  ~Uezbbekistan
> 10.  Uzbek   ~Uezbak
> 11.  Ouspensky  ~Uesppenskee
> 12.  ourobouros  ?
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> All these words as I hear them in thefreedictionary.com start with
> long oo =
> (~ue) as in "food" not short oo (~oo) as in "good".
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>>> Interestly "umlaut" has multiple pronunciations.
>>>
>>> At forvo.com=2C enter "umlaut"=2C click on the resulting first
>>> word (not
>>> arrow)=2C see three pronunciations:
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>> Is this evidence that "umlaut" does=2C in fact=2C have three
>> different
>> pronunciations=2C or that forvo.com was able to recruit three
>> yahoos to
>> speak a word two of whom didn't know how to pronounce properly?
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>>>
>>> 1 ~oomlout (where ~oo is as in "good" ~ou as in "out"=2C spoken by
>>> topquark
>>> 2. ~oomlou' (where "t" is dropped or glottalized) spoken by threb
>>> 3. ~oomllaat (stress second syl=2C with ~aa as in "Saab"=2C
>>> spoken by
>>> Olbill.
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>>> It's pretty rare in English to have a word start with ~oo.
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>> Oops=2C Tom=2C I think you've made a mistake there. There's oodles
>> and
>> oodles of such words. My cousin=2C who lives in Ooltewah TN=2C could
>> probably tell you some=2C over a cup of oolong tea (she makes it
>> strong -=
> -
>> it packs an oomph=2C and just oozes flavor)=3B or if you like a
>> stronger
>> beverage=2C a cup of ouzo. Don't make her mad=2C though=2C or
>> she'll shoo=
> t
>> you with her Uzi (she bought it in Uzbekistan from an Uzbek).
>> She's an
>> Ouspenskian philosopher=2C and wrote her thesis on the worm
>> Ourobouros.
>>
>> (I really do have a cousin that lives in Ooltewah. The rest is BS . .
>> .)
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>>> Tom Zurinskas=2C USA - CT20=2C TN3=2C NJ33=2C FL7+
>>> see truespel.com phonetic spelling
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