saying "umlaut" (UNCLASSIFIED)

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What intrigues me is the lack of realization of the "short oo" sound ~oo as=
 in "good=2Cwould=2Cput=2Cfull=2Cwool.  Unstressed it's represented by schw=
a=2C and schwa more often takes the sound of "uh" ~u or "ih" ~i.  So folks =
don't pay too much attention to it.
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Any word ending in "bull" or "full" have the ~oo sound: Words such as "doub=
le" (DUB-bull) ~dubool=2C and other words with tradspel endings "ie" "el" "=
al" such as "single" ~seengool=2C "wonderful" ~wunderfool=2C etc.
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Tom Zurinskas=2C USA - CT20=2C TN3=2C NJ33=2C FL7+
see truespel.com phonetic spelling

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> Tom:
> There's variation in some of these words. I have [U] (your ~oo) in
> oops=2C oomph=2C Uzbek=2C Uzbekistan. Rest are [u] for me.
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> Paul Johnston
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>> I maintain that there are few words that start with short oo (as in
>> good ho=3D
>> ok). In the paragraph below I wonder which are the long oo's (~ue
>> as in tr=3D
>> ue) and short oo's (~oo as in good) as the first vowel in certain
>> words. I=3D
>> 'll check the how the speakers say it in thefreedictionary.com
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>> Oops=3D2C Tom=3D2C I think you've made a mistake there. There's oodles
>> andoodle=3D
>> s of such words. My cousin=3D2C who lives in Ooltewah TN=3D2C
>> couldprobably tel=3D
>> l you some=3D2C over a cup of oolong tea (she makes it strong --it
>> packs an o=3D
>> omph=3D2C and just oozes flavor)=3D3B or if you like a
>> strongerbeverage=3D2C a cu=3D
>> p of ouzo. Don't make her mad=3D2C though=3D2C or she'll shootyou with
>> her Uzi =3D
>> (she bought it in Uzbekistan from an Uzbek). She's anOuspenskian
>> philosophe=3D
>> r=3D2C and wrote her thesis on the worm Ourobouros. (I really do have
>> a cousi=3D
>> n that lives in Ooltewah. The rest is BS . ..)
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>> 1. oops ~ueps
>> 2. oodles ~uedools (strangely said with an ending ~s not ~z)
>> ~ool as in =3D
>> wool
>> 3. ooltewah ?
>> 4. oolong ~uelaang (awe-dropping speaker says ~laang but should
>> be ~laun=3D
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>> 5. oomph ~uemf
>> 6. ooze ~uez
>> 7. ouzo ~uezoe
>> 8. uzi ~uezee
>> 9. Uzbekistan ~Uezbbekistan
>> 10. Uzbek ~Uezbak
>> 11. Ouspensky ~Uesppenskee
>> 12. ourobouros ?
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>> All these words as I hear them in thefreedictionary.com start with
>> long oo =3D
>> (~ue) as in "food" not short oo (~oo) as in "good".
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>> Tom Zurinskas=3D2C USA - CT20=3D2C TN3=3D2C NJ33=3D2C FL7+
>> see truespel.com phonetic spelling
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>>>> Interestly "umlaut" has multiple pronunciations.
>>>>
>>>> At forvo.com=3D2C enter "umlaut"=3D2C click on the resulting first
>>>> word (not
>>>> arrow)=3D2C see three pronunciations:
>>>
>>> Is this evidence that "umlaut" does=3D2C in fact=3D2C have three
>>> different
>>> pronunciations=3D2C or that forvo.com was able to recruit three
>>> yahoos to
>>> speak a word two of whom didn't know how to pronounce properly?
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>>>>
>>>> 1 ~oomlout (where ~oo is as in "good" ~ou as in "out"=3D2C spoken by
>>>> topquark
>>>> 2. ~oomlou' (where "t" is dropped or glottalized) spoken by threb
>>>> 3. ~oomllaat (stress second syl=3D2C with ~aa as in "Saab"=3D2C
>>>> spoken by
>>>> Olbill.
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>>>> It's pretty rare in English to have a word start with ~oo.
>>>
>>> Oops=3D2C Tom=3D2C I think you've made a mistake there. There's oodles
>>> and
>>> oodles of such words. My cousin=3D2C who lives in Ooltewah TN=3D2C coul=
d
>>> probably tell you some=3D2C over a cup of oolong tea (she makes it
>>> strong -=3D
>> -
>>> it packs an oomph=3D2C and just oozes flavor)=3D3B or if you like a
>>> stronger
>>> beverage=3D2C a cup of ouzo. Don't make her mad=3D2C though=3D2C or
>>> she'll shoo=3D
>> t
>>> you with her Uzi (she bought it in Uzbekistan from an Uzbek).
>>> She's an
>>> Ouspenskian philosopher=3D2C and wrote her thesis on the worm
>>> Ourobouros.
>>>
>>> (I really do have a cousin that lives in Ooltewah. The rest is BS . .
>>> .)
>>>
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>>>> Tom Zurinskas=3D2C USA - CT20=3D2C TN3=3D2C NJ33=3D2C FL7+
>>>> see truespel.com phonetic spelling
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