Talmudic source for (1617) Quotation: How a man should clothe himself, his children, & his wife

[Mark Mandel]

I don't know Avira's dates, if indeed they're known at all. But the Mishnah
-- the portion of the Talmud that contains Tractate (C)hullin -- was
compiled in the early third century (
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=660&letter=M&search=mishnah).
There were many variations and differing versions, but Avira is certainly
not modern. I suspect that the attribution to Hanina is yet another case of
what might be called attributional gravity: the bigger the name, the more
likely it is to attract (mis)attributions away from their actual sources.

I also can't find a date for this translation. The source site for the PDF
-- http://radio7stars.linkbg.com<http://radio7stars.linkbg.com/home/Books/na%20EN/Talmud%20-%2022%20Volumes/AGES/LIBRARY/v20%20ch%2006.pdf>--
is still down, and it may be gone.

Mark Mandel

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Joel S. Berson <Berson at att.net> wrote:

> [I have corrected my error in the Subject line:  the date is 1617
> (Purchas), not 1717.]
>
> At 10/23/2009 01:32 PM, Mark Mandel wrote:
>
> >As for this quotation, Google finds the following in the Talmud (Tractate
> >Chullin), attributed to R. Avira. This is from G's HTML version (*
> >http://tinyurl.com/ygw78m2)* <http://tinyurl.com/ygw78m2%29*>; the PDF (*
> http://tinyurl.com/yfw9cd6) *is
> >inaccessible at the moment.
>
> I do not see a date for this.  Is it someone's modern translation (at
> least, more modern than 1617)?  All I find in the Harvard catalog for
> "keywords = talmud bavli hullin" is in Hebrew, and in fact from 1751
> or later.  So that seems to leave Purchas as the earliest in English.
>
> Also, the quotation is not a "modern Jewish adage" if it was actually
> spoken by Hanina!  Or is Avira later, and is renowned Hebraic scholar
> Drusius's attribution to Hanina incorrect?
>
> >...
> >VI.
> >BAVLI HULLIN
> >CHAPTER SIX
> >FOLIOS 83B-89B
> >
> >Page 6
> >...
> >
>

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