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[Charles Doyle]

First, was Dulles a St. Louis cardinal?

Second, was he the son of the notorious Alan Dulles--who was, as I recall, brother to the notorious John Foster?

Back in the 1960s or so, a new consolidated school was built in Eagle Lake, TX, (in the county where I grew up).  They named it John Foster Dulles High School.  I wonder if they've ever wished they could change the name.  Probably not.

Best wishes.

Charlie

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>Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:37:18 -0400
>From: American Dialect Society <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU> (on behalf of Wilson Gray <hwgray at GMAIL.COM>)
>Subject: Re: "Lord Alfred" or "Alfred, Lord"?
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>In addition to his renown in the field of theology and his being one of the
>few Jesuits ever to be elevated to the cardinalate in the history of the
>Catholic Church, Avery,Cardinal Dulles is known for being the nephew of the
>late John, Foster Dulles. ;-)
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>> A few years ago, my wife and I attended a seminar at Luther Seminary
>> in St. Paul, MN, on the Lutheran-Catholic Joint Declaration on the
>> Doctrine of Justification.  One of the speakers was Avery Cardinal
>> Dulles, who was introduced and referred to that way by both Lutheran
>> and Catholic participants.  The form isn't completely gone.
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>> Herb
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>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Wilson Gray <hwgray at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> > Well, they've done away with {Forename,] Cardinal [Surname]! What did y=
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>> > expect?! Expect "Lord George G. Byron" any day, now.
>> > -Wilson
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>> >> Smiling my sardonic "what-did-you-expect?" smile, I used to correct
>> >> students
>> >> who infallibly referred to "Lord Alfred Tennyson."
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>> >> I'd still do it, although these days I can't muster even a sardonic
>> smile=3D
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>> >> Google shows that "Alfred, Lord Tennyson,"
>> >> outnumbers the other chap by nearly ten to one, at least in raw hits.
>> >>
>> >> But "Lord Alfred" is on the rise:
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>> >> 2009 Samantha Henig "Periscope" in _Newsweek_ (Jan. 12): Lord Alfred
>> >> Tennyson's "The Charge of the Light Brigade."
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