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Charles Doyle wrote:
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> First, was Dulles a St. Louis cardinal?
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> Second, was he the son of the notorious Alan Dulles--who was, as I recall, brother to the notorious John Foster?
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> Back in the 1960s or so, a new consolidated school was built in Eagle Lake, TX, (in the county where I grew up).  They named it John Foster Dulles High School.  I wonder if they've ever wished they could change the name.  Probably not.
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> Best wishes.
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> Charlie
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>> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:37:18 -0400
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>> Subject: Re: "Lord Alfred" or "Alfred, Lord"?
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>> In addition to his renown in the field of theology and his being one of the
>> few Jesuits ever to be elevated to the cardinalate in the history of the
>> Catholic Church, Avery,Cardinal Dulles is known for being the nephew of the
>> late John, Foster Dulles. ;-)
>> -Wilson
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>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Herb Stahlke <hfwstahlke at gmail.com> wrote=
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>>> A few years ago, my wife and I attended a seminar at Luther Seminary
>>> in St. Paul, MN, on the Lutheran-Catholic Joint Declaration on the
>>> Doctrine of Justification.  One of the speakers was Avery Cardinal
>>> Dulles, who was introduced and referred to that way by both Lutheran
>>> and Catholic participants.  The form isn't completely gone.
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>>> Herb
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>>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Wilson Gray <hwgray at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> Well, they've done away with {Forename,] Cardinal [Surname]! What did y=
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>> ou
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>>>> expect?! Expect "Lord George G. Byron" any day, now.
>>>> -Wilson
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>>>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Jonathan Lighter
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>>>>> Smiling my sardonic "what-did-you-expect?" smile, I used to correct
>>>>> students
>>>>> who infallibly referred to "Lord Alfred Tennyson."
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd still do it, although these days I can't muster even a sardonic
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>>>> .
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>>>>> Google shows that "Alfred, Lord Tennyson,"
>>>>> outnumbers the other chap by nearly ten to one, at least in raw hits.
>>>>>
>>>>> But "Lord Alfred" is on the rise:
>>>>>
>>>>> 2009 Samantha Henig "Periscope" in _Newsweek_ (Jan. 12): Lord Alfred
>>>>> Tennyson's "The Charge of the Light Brigade."
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>> All say, "How hard it is that we have to die!"---a strange complaint to com=
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> >from the mouths of people who have had to live.
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