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[Shapiro, Fred]

Dulles was a utility infielder for the Gashouse Gang...  Seriously, he was the son of the notorious John Foster Dulles and nephew of the notorious Allen Dulles.  He himself, as a conservative theologian opposed to changing church policies on abortion, artificial birth control, priestly celibacy, the ordination of women, and punishment of priestly child abuse, was undoubtedly notorious to some people.

Fred Shapiro


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First, was Dulles a St. Louis cardinal?

Second, was he the son of the notorious Alan Dulles--who was, as I recall, brother to the notorious John Foster?

Back in the 1960s or so, a new consolidated school was built in Eagle Lake, TX, (in the county where I grew up).  They named it John Foster Dulles High School.  I wonder if they've ever wished they could change the name.  Probably not.

Best wishes.

Charlie

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>In addition to his renown in the field of theology and his being one of the
>few Jesuits ever to be elevated to the cardinalate in the history of the
>Catholic Church, Avery,Cardinal Dulles is known for being the nephew of the
>late John, Foster Dulles. ;-)
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>> A few years ago, my wife and I attended a seminar at Luther Seminary
>> in St. Paul, MN, on the Lutheran-Catholic Joint Declaration on the
>> Doctrine of Justification.  One of the speakers was Avery Cardinal
>> Dulles, who was introduced and referred to that way by both Lutheran
>> and Catholic participants.  The form isn't completely gone.
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>> Herb
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>> > Well, they've done away with {Forename,] Cardinal [Surname]! What did y=
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>> >> Smiling my sardonic "what-did-you-expect?" smile, I used to correct
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>> >> I'd still do it, although these days I can't muster even a sardonic
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>> >> Google shows that "Alfred, Lord Tennyson,"
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>> >> 2009 Samantha Henig "Periscope" in _Newsweek_ (Jan. 12): Lord Alfred
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