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[Wilson Gray]

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Victor Steinbok <aardvark66 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>    VS-)
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> Charles Doyle wrote:
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>> First, was Dulles a St. Louis cardinal?
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>> Second, was he the son of the notorious Alan Dulles--who was, as I recall, brother to the notorious John Foster?
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>> Back in the 1960s or so, a new consolidated school was built in Eagle Lake, TX, (in the county where I grew up).  They named it John Foster Dulles High School.  I wonder if they've ever wished they could change the name.  Probably not.
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>> Best wishes.
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>> Charlie
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>>> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:37:18 -0400
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>>> In addition to his renown in the field of theology and his being one of the
>>> few Jesuits ever to be elevated to the cardinalate in the history of the
>>> Catholic Church, Avery,Cardinal Dulles is known for being the nephew of the
>>> late John, Foster Dulles. ;-)
>>> -Wilson
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>>>> A few years ago, my wife and I attended a seminar at Luther Seminary
>>>> in St. Paul, MN, on the Lutheran-Catholic Joint Declaration on the
>>>> Doctrine of Justification.  One of the speakers was Avery Cardinal
>>>> Dulles, who was introduced and referred to that way by both Lutheran
>>>> and Catholic participants.  The form isn't completely gone.
>>>>
>>>> Herb
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>>>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Wilson Gray <hwgray at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>> Well, they've done away with {Forename,] Cardinal [Surname]! What did y=
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>>>>> expect?! Expect "Lord George G. Byron" any day, now.
>>>>> -Wilson
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>>>>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Jonathan Lighter
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>>>>>> Smiling my sardonic "what-did-you-expect?" smile, I used to correct
>>>>>> students
>>>>>> who infallibly referred to "Lord Alfred Tennyson."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd still do it, although these days I can't muster even a sardonic
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>>>> smile=3D
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>>>>> .
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>>>>>> Google shows that "Alfred, Lord Tennyson,"
>>>>>> outnumbers the other chap by nearly ten to one, at least in raw hits.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But "Lord Alfred" is on the rise:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2009 Samantha Henig "Periscope" in _Newsweek_ (Jan. 12): Lord Alfred
>>>>>> Tennyson's "The Charge of the Light Brigade."
>>>>>> JL
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>>>>> -Wilson
>>>>> =3D96=3D96=3D96
>>>>> All say, "How hard it is that we have to die!"---a strange complaint to
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>>>>> e
>>>>> from the mouths of people who have had to live.
>>>>> =3D96Mark Twain
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>> >from the mouths of people who have had to live.
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-Wilson
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All say, "How hard it is that we have to die!"---a strange complaint
to come from the mouths of people who have had to live.
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