real-time (UNCLASSIFIED)

Fri Dec 3 14:07:52 UTC 2010

"Not part of a planned news report; naturally occurring":

Greg Palkot, Fox News Channel (Nov. 2004)
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,140445,00.html :
I do a stand-up report amid a pile of rubble. Later, cameraman Pierre says,
"Greg ... did you know you were standing on somebody while you were
speaking?"

But now, we're about to walk into real-time terror.

In another neighborhood, the young men of 2nd Squad — whom we've gotten to
know pretty well in the last few days — come face to face with the enemy.

JL
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Garson O'Toole
<adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com>wrote:

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> In the past it was common for an internet accessible feed of stock
> market prices to be delayed. If you wanted price data that was current
> you had to pay extra. The premium service was typically called
> "real-time quotes". The term meant roughly quotes without delay (more
> accurately, it meant quotes without an artificially imposed delay.)
> Here are two examples. I am sure it can be pushed back further:
>
> InfoWorld - Sep 17, 1984 - Page 32. Vol. 6, No. 38 - 80 pages - Magazine
>
> He says that real-time quotes (which go on-line as they appear on
> ticker tape) solve part of the problem, but many information services
> offer only 15-minute delayed quotations.
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> http://books.google.com/books?id=Gy8EAAAAMBAJ&q=delayed#v=snippet&
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>
> Cite: 1983 December 19, Milwaukee Sentinel, System Lets You Be Your
> Own Broker, Part 2: Page 13 (GN Page 19), Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
> (Google News archive)
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> "You can receive real-time quotes, update and manage your portfolio on
> a real-time basis," said Anderson.
>
> Perhaps this earlier simplified sense of "without delay" influenced
> later usage. In the booking agent example (given previously on this
> thread) the phrase "in real-time" could be replaced by "without delay"
> from the viewpoint of this layperson.
>
> OED has the term. OED (DRAFT REVISION Sept. 2010) real time, n., adj.,
> and adv. Chiefly Computing.
> There are three definitions given. The booking agent example might fit
> under A, but the definition is somewhat technical.
>
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> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Jonathan Lighter
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> > Even if Black was using the phrase in semi-technical sense, others
> aren't.
> > I just saw a commercial for something called McGladrey that has an actor
> > saying, "In this business, you have to know what's going on in real
> time."
> >
> > Turns out he's playing golf and "in real time" can only mean "as it
> happens;
> > right now."
> >
> > Cf.
> >
> http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local-beat/Violence-Threatens-a-Popular-Vacation-Destination-94793264.html
> > from
> > last May:
> >
> >  "The State Department has issued a travel alert for Kingston, which is a
> > distance away from the key vacation spots of Negril, Montego Bay and Ocho
> > Rios. Still, many wonder if their beach getaways could be disrupted.
> >
> > " 'This is why I recommend talking to your booking agent so that you
> > actually know what's going on, in real time, and what's happening at that
> > point and time,' said Hird."
> >
> > In other words, "at that specific time."
> >
> > JL
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Garson O'Toole
> > <adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com>wrote:
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> >> Jonathan Lighter wrote
> >> >> "In reality rather than by means of special effects."  In a feature
> on
> >> >> Turner Classic Movies, comedian Lewis Black explains that
> >> >> Harold Lloyd and others "did their stunts in real time."
> >>
> >> Bill Mullins wrote:
> >> > Stunts that were filmed as performed, rather than created in the
> >> > darkroom, the stunts were in fact done in "real time" -- that is, they
> >> > were done at part of the same process as the non-stunt performances
> were
> >> > filmed.  If the stunts were created in the dark room, or as part of
> >> > second unit, they would have been done at a later (or earlier) time,
> and
> >> > not in "real time".
> >>
> >> If mechanical or pyrotechnic special-effects are used then one may
> >> still say that the actors "did their stunts in real time." I think
> >> that pioneering film comedians like Harold Lloyd did use these types
> >> of special effects.
> >>
> >> A statement about whether or not a stunt is "real time" may refer to
> >> the manipulation of time. As Bill notes this manipulation can be
> >> performed in a dark room by combining sections of film shot at
> >> different times. If time is manipulated then the stunt is no longer
> >> "real time".
> >>
> >> For example, if a split-screen is used to record separate shots then
> >> the stunt would not be designated "real-time".
> >>
> >> Another example involves changing the frame-rate of the camera so that
> >> the action appears faster or slower. Speeding up or slowing down the
> >> frame rate would allow remarkable stunts but these stunts would not be
> >> "real time".
> >>
> >> I do not know, however, if the comedian Lewis Black was actually using
> >> the term in this way.
> >> Garson
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