real-time (UNCLASSIFIED)

Wed Dec 8 01:54:36 UTC 2010

This one seems conclusive.

In CNN's discussion after the President's news conference this afternoon,
John Avlon of the _Daily Beast_ commented that Obama's tax compromise/
sellout/ epiphany/ Munich is "happening in real time in Washington."

I.e., in actuality; moment-by-moment.

JL
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>wrote:

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> "Not part of a planned news report; naturally occurring":
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> Greg Palkot, Fox News Channel (Nov. 2004)
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,140445,00.html :
> I do a stand-up report amid a pile of rubble. Later, cameraman Pierre says,
> "Greg ... did you know you were standing on somebody while you were
> speaking?"
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> But now, we're about to walk into real-time terror.
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> In another neighborhood, the young men of 2nd Squad =97 whom we've gotten
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> know pretty well in the last few days =97 come face to face with the enemy.
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> JL
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Garson O'Toole
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> > In the past it was common for an internet accessible feed of stock
> > market prices to be delayed. If you wanted price data that was current
> > you had to pay extra. The premium service was typically called
> > "real-time quotes". The term meant roughly quotes without delay (more
> > accurately, it meant quotes without an artificially imposed delay.)
> > Here are two examples. I am sure it can be pushed back further:
> >
> > InfoWorld - Sep 17, 1984 - Page 32. Vol. 6, No. 38 - 80 pages - Magazine
> >
> > He says that real-time quotes (which go on-line as they appear on
> > ticker tape) solve part of the problem, but many information services
> > offer only 15-minute delayed quotations.
> >
> > http://books.google.com/books?id=3DGy8EAAAAMBAJ&q=3Ddelayed#v=3Dsnippet&
> >
> >
> > Cite: 1983 December 19, Milwaukee Sentinel, System Lets You Be Your
> > Own Broker, Part 2: Page 13 (GN Page 19), Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
> > (Google News archive)
> >
> > "You can receive real-time quotes, update and manage your portfolio on
> > a real-time basis," said Anderson.
> >
> > Perhaps this earlier simplified sense of "without delay" influenced
> > later usage. In the booking agent example (given previously on this
> > thread) the phrase "in real-time" could be replaced by "without delay"
> > from the viewpoint of this layperson.
> >
> > OED has the term. OED (DRAFT REVISION Sept. 2010) real time, n., adj.,
> > and adv. Chiefly Computing.
> > There are three definitions given. The booking agent example might fit
> > under A, but the definition is somewhat technical.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Jonathan Lighter
> > <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > Even if Black was using the phrase in semi-technical sense, others
> > aren't.
> > > I just saw a commercial for something called McGladrey that has an
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> > > saying, "In this business, you have to know what's going on in real
> > time."
> > >
> > > Turns out he's playing golf and "in real time" can only mean "as it
> > happens;
> > > right now."
> > >
> > > Cf.
> > >
> >
> http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local-beat/Violence-Threatens-a-Popula=
> r-Vacation-Destination-94793264.html
> > > from
> > > last May:
> > >
> > >  "The State Department has issued a travel alert for Kingston, which
> is=
>  a
> > > distance away from the key vacation spots of Negril, Montego Bay and
> Oc=
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> > > Rios. Still, many wonder if their beach getaways could be disrupted.
> > >
> > > " 'This is why I recommend talking to your booking agent so that you
> > > actually know what's going on, in real time, and what's happening at
> th=
> at
> > > point and time,' said Hird."
> > >
> > > In other words, "at that specific time."
> > >
> > > JL
> > >
> > > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Garson O'Toole
> > > <adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com>wrote:
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> > >> Jonathan Lighter wrote
> > >> >> "In reality rather than by means of special effects."  In a feature
> > on
> > >> >> Turner Classic Movies, comedian Lewis Black explains that
> > >> >> Harold Lloyd and others "did their stunts in real time."
> > >>
> > >> Bill Mullins wrote:
> > >> > Stunts that were filmed as performed, rather than created in the
> > >> > darkroom, the stunts were in fact done in "real time" -- that is,
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> > >> > were done at part of the same process as the non-stunt performances
> > were
> > >> > filmed.  If the stunts were created in the dark room, or as part of
> > >> > second unit, they would have been done at a later (or earlier) time,
> > and
> > >> > not in "real time".
> > >>
> > >> If mechanical or pyrotechnic special-effects are used then one may
> > >> still say that the actors "did their stunts in real time." I think
> > >> that pioneering film comedians like Harold Lloyd did use these types
> > >> of special effects.
> > >>
> > >> A statement about whether or not a stunt is "real time" may refer to
> > >> the manipulation of time. As Bill notes this manipulation can be
> > >> performed in a dark room by combining sections of film shot at
> > >> different times. If time is manipulated then the stunt is no longer
> > >> "real time".
> > >>
> > >> For example, if a split-screen is used to record separate shots then
> > >> the stunt would not be designated "real-time".
> > >>
> > >> Another example involves changing the frame-rate of the camera so that
> > >> the action appears faster or slower. Speeding up or slowing down the
> > >> frame rate would allow remarkable stunts but these stunts would not be
> > >> "real time".
> > >>
> > >> I do not know, however, if the comedian Lewis Black was actually using
> > >> the term in this way.
> > >> Garson
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