[dZ&gwar], [dZ&gjuwar], and [dZ&gwaIr]

[Tom Zurinskas]

Thanks for that.
 
m-w.com and thefreedictionary.com use an upside down e for schwa and letter "a" for the vowel in "cat".  Somewhere someone has used & for schwa but I can't place it.  I thought it was m-w.com.  I recall somewhere seeing "fun" as /f&n/.  Of course @ in not good for schwa now because it's used in web addresses.


Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL7+ 
see truespel.com phonetic spelling


 
 





 
> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 20:14:56 -0500
> From: hfwstahlke at GMAIL.COM
> Subject: Re: [dZ&gwar], [dZ&gjuwar], and [dZ&gwaIr]
> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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> Poster: Herb Stahlke <hfwstahlke at GMAIL.COM>
> Subject: Re: [dZ&gwar], [dZ&gjuwar], and [dZ&gwaIr]
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> Tom,
> 
> In Kirshenbaum's ASCII IPA
> (http://www.kirshenbaum.net/IPA/ascii-ipa.pdf), [&] is the vowel you
> hear in "jag." Schwa is [@].
> 
> Herb
> 
> On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Tom Zurinskas <truespel at hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > Poster: Tom Zurinskas <truespel at HOTMAIL.COM>
> > Subject: Re: [dZ&gwar], [dZ&gjuwar], and [dZ&gwaIr]
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> > Phonetic spelling norms are so unacceptable as to be unteachable in USA gra=
> > mmar schools. Yet they could be so simple that everyone could learn phonet=
> > ics even as a first grader. The key is to make phonetic spelling simple an=
> > d English based as does truespel phonetics. This would lead to a revolutin=
> > ary capability to explain English pronunciation to all learners as does the=
> > free converter at truespel.com.
> > =20
> > For the word "jaguar" the notations [dZ&gwar]=2C [dZ&gjuwar]=2C and [dZ&gw=
> > aIr] are intelligible. The ampersand as a schwa is actually incorrect here=
> > as I hear the words spoken (see below). Clearly the vowel is short a=2C a=
> > s in "jag"=2C not a schwa as in "jug" (Usually schwa stands for the "uh" so=
> > und ~u).
> > =20
> > I click on the speakers in thefreedictionary.com and hear:
> > USA ~jagwaar (JAG-wahr) - clicking the speaker icon
> > UK ~jagyue'u (JAG-you-uh) - clicking the flag icon
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> > Note=2C if it's UK=2C the ending "r" is dropped. UK phonetics usually don'=
> > t reflect that.
> > =20
> > =20
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> > Tom Zurinskas=2C USA - CT20=2C TN3=2C NJ33=2C FL7+=20
> > see truespel.com phonetic spelling
> >
> >
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> >> Date: Sun=2C 26 Dec 2010 23:57:51 -0500
> >> From: douglas at NB.NET
> >> Subject: Re: [dZ&gwar]=2C [dZ&gjuwar]=2C and [dZ&gwaIr]
> >> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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> >> Poster: "Douglas G. Wilson" <douglas at NB.NET>
> >> Subject: Re: [dZ&gwar]=2C [dZ&gjuwar]=2C and [dZ&gwaIr]
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> >> Addendum: There was a substantial thread ("jagwire") on this subject in
> >> 2008 on this list=2C some of which I had forgotten ('scuse me).
> >>=20
> >> -- Doug Wilson
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