FW: The first French "restaurat" was in New York, in 1821? -- (message from Barry Popik)

[Jesse Sheidlower]

This quotation has been known to, and under investigation by,
the OED for some time now. Though we're still not sure, it
appears that this passage may originally have been written by
Boswell in French, and the English translation is later.

I'll try to remember to post a followup, once the checking
has been completed.

Jesse Sheidlower
OED

On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 10:16:52PM -0600, Cohen, Gerald Leonard wrote:
> Below is a message sent by Barry to several ads-l members and which I now share with the entire list.
> On a general note, it's always good to be reminded ofo the great value of Barry's website.
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> G. Cohen
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> From: Barry Popik [mailto:bapopik at aol.com]
> Sent: Wed 2/3/2010 9:11 PM
> Subject: Re: The first French "restaurat" was in New York, in 1821?
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> I posted this here and OED doesn't record it?
> --Barry Popik
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> http://www.barrypopik.com/index.php/new_york_city/entry/restaurant_refectory/
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> http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0203C&L=ADS-L&P=R2680
> Subject:         Restaurant (1766)
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>    OED and Merriam-Webster have 1827 for "restaurant," although OED's entry notes that it started in Paris in 1765.  There's been a new book on the subject that I'll have to check.
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> BOSWELL
> ON THE GRAND TOUR
> ITALY, CORSICA, AND FRANCE
> 1765-1766
> edited by Frank Brady and Frederick A. Pottle,
> Yale University
> McGraw-Hill Book Company, Inc., NY
> 1955
>
> Pg. 257 (1766, THURSDAY 2 JANUARY):
>    A restaurant keeper just by Le Blanc's furnished me dinner and half a bottle of wine for three livres, and Etienne, my _valet de place_, was very active and had the name of "l'eveille."
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> Subject:         Re: The first French "restaurat" was in New York, in 1821?
> From:    Jesse Sheidlower <[log in to unmask] <http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/wa?LOGON=A2%3Dind1002A%26L%3Dads-l%26P%3DR2732> >
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> On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 11:08:19AM -0500, Joel S. Berson wrote:
> > (Shades of "Ratatouille"!)
> >
> > For "restaurant", the OED's earliest citation is 1827.  (Still a "2nd
> > edition 1989" entry, so the gnomes likely have mined to a lower
> > stratum by now.  And perhaps to be updated shortly; in December the
> > "revised range" arrived at "reputeless.")
>
> We'd mined back to 1823, so this is still two years better. Thanks!
>
> Jesse Sheidlower
> OED
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