historical-present tense for literature

Fri Feb 5 11:06:21 UTC 2010

Seems like baseball announcers are prone to present tense.  In commenting on a play that happened in the recent past, the announcer could use past tense, but it's  usually present tense.  "Now on that play, he gets the ball and throws to first, but if he throws to third he has a chance to get the lead runner...."

This I notice this many years ago and I think it's unusual.  Then I think way back then why use past tense at all?

Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL7+ 
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> I learned about the "literary present" (good term for it) as a junior in
> high school, which would be 1979-80. So it had to have been well established
> by then to filter down to that level.
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> OTOH, one of my continuing editorial jobs is reviewing and editing
> high-school English lesson plans and these plans usually use the past tense.
> The plans are (presumably) written by teachers, possibly by grad students.
> So it appears that the practice is all that well established, at least not
> anymore. On the occasions that I do find a lesson plan that references the
> plot in the present tense, I can predict that I will find very little wrong
> with the rest of the plan.
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> That was certainly the explanation offered to us, if not in high school then
> in freshman comp in college. In literature (which should include drama and
> cinema except for fanatics who may require a new inclusive term), the action
> is "always" happening in the spooky mystical timeless way that it does.
> 
> I've always called it the historical present, but perhaps the "literary
> present" is more precise.
> 
> But I wonder how and just when the style caught on. (It was so well
> entrenched by the '70s that we cynical grad students in English would roll
> our eyes in disbelief when naive freshmen - most all of them, actually -
> used the past tense.) I'll read a few more reviews.
> 
> JL
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> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Alison Murie <sagehen7470 at att.net> wrote:
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> > > It must have been in the mid '60s when I was taught to write about
> > > literature in the present tense. E.g., "at the end of Herman
> > > Melville's
> > > famous novel, _Moby Dick_, Moby gets away. That is why I will never
> > > go on a
> > > Carnival cruise."
> > >
> > > While reading any number of book and film reviews in the _N.Y. Times_,
> > > however, I noticed that the paper's practice, well into the 1950s at
> > > least, was to write summaries in the past tense, as any normal human
> > > would
> > > be inclined to do. The _Times_ was not alone in this. Magill's
> > > _Masterplots_
> > > (not that I would know anything about that) used to do (or still
> > > does) the
> > > same thing.
> > >
> > > What caused the switch? And when did it become a must?
> > > JL
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> > > "If the truth is half as bad as I think it is, you can't handle the
> > > truth."
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> > I was told that the use of historical-present, if that is what it is,
> > was a kind of acknowledgment of the continuing life of the book, of
> > literature. Movie reviews, OTOH, under that notion, might be
> > regarded as ephemeral.....? (WAG)
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