"Restaurant" (re message from Barry Popik)

[Joel S. Berson]

The following message shows that Boswell's manuscript had "traiteur"
-- a fact perhaps already known to the OED gnomes.  (The image is
quote clear.)  Do we need to follow up and ask Mr. Overholt for the
earliest edition that said "restaurant"?  (If there was one.)

Joel

The manuscript for this journal is among the Boswell papers that have
been digitized. It looks like Boswell didn't say "restaurant-keeper"
at all, but "traiteur":
http://130.132.81.65/RIP_CURATOR/size4/B0096/1201876.jpg (page image)
http://beinecke.library.yale.edu/dl_crosscollex/getSETS.asp?ITEM=2039118
(full journal for Dec. 1765-Jan. 1766)
John Overholt
Assistant Curator
The Donald and Mary Hyde Collection of Dr. Samuel Johnson/
Early Modern Books and Manuscripts
Houghton Library
Harvard University
http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/hydeblog

At 2/4/2010 11:07 AM, Jesse Sheidlower wrote:
>This quotation has been known to, and under investigation by,
>the OED for some time now. Though we're still not sure, it
>appears that this passage may originally have been written by
>Boswell in French, and the English translation is later.
>
>I'll try to remember to post a followup, once the checking
>has been completed.
>
>Jesse Sheidlower
>OED
>
>On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 10:16:52PM -0600, Cohen, Gerald Leonard wrote:
> > Below is a message sent by Barry to several ads-l members and
> which I now share with the entire list.
> > On a general note, it's always good to be reminded ofo the great
> value of Barry's website.
> >
> > G. Cohen
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: Barry Popik [mailto:bapopik at aol.com]
> > Sent: Wed 2/3/2010 9:11 PM
> > Subject: Re: The first French "restaurat" was in New York, in 1821?
> >
> >
> > I posted this here and OED doesn't record it?
> > --Barry Popik
> > ...
> > ...
> >
> http://www.barrypopik.com/index.php/new_york_city/entry/restaurant_refectory/
> > ...
> > ...
> > http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0203C&L=ADS-L&P=R2680
> > Subject:         Restaurant (1766)
> > From:    [log in to unmask]
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>  >
> > Date:    Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:36:33 EST
> > Content-Type:    text/plain
> >    OED and Merriam-Webster have 1827 for "restaurant," although
> OED's entry notes that it started in Paris in 1765.  There's been a
> new book on the subject that I'll have to check.
> >
> > BOSWELL
> > ON THE GRAND TOUR
> > ITALY, CORSICA, AND FRANCE
> > 1765-1766
> > edited by Frank Brady and Frederick A. Pottle,
> > Yale University
> > McGraw-Hill Book Company, Inc., NY
> > 1955
> >
> > Pg. 257 (1766, THURSDAY 2 JANUARY):
> >    A restaurant keeper just by Le Blanc's furnished me dinner and
> half a bottle of wine for three livres, and Etienne, my _valet de
> place_, was very active and had the name of "l'eveille."
> > ...
> > ...
> > Subject:         Re: The first French "restaurat" was in New York, in 1821?
> > From:    Jesse Sheidlower <[log in to unmask]
> <http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/wa?LOGON=A2%3Dind1002A%26L%3Dads-l%26P%3DR2732>
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> > Date:    Wed, 3 Feb 2010 13:48:19 -0500
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> >
> > On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 11:08:19AM -0500, Joel S. Berson wrote:
> > > (Shades of "Ratatouille"!)
> > >
> > > For "restaurant", the OED's earliest citation is 1827.  (Still a "2nd
> > > edition 1989" entry, so the gnomes likely have mined to a lower
> > > stratum by now.  And perhaps to be updated shortly; in December the
> > > "revised range" arrived at "reputeless.")
> >
> > We'd mined back to 1823, so this is still two years better. Thanks!
> >
> > Jesse Sheidlower
> > OED
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