nomconjobjs: between you and me/I

Victor Steinbok aardvark66 at GMAIL.COM
Mon Feb 22 18:36:00 UTC 2010

Jesus, Tom! We are not talking about the substantive difference between
40 hits and 100 hits--there are literally hundreds of thousands raw
ghits showing pervasive usage of both (I got a slightly lower ratio for
the same search, though--635G to 164G with "just", but a much higher one
without "just"--26M to 976G; there may be some noise in the latter from
a different meaning of "between").

On a different note, the the truly *amazing* ratio to me is for "between
him and I" vs. "between him and me"--15.2M to 1.15M. With "her" the
ratio is a bit lower--12.2M to 3.81M raw ghits. This simply defies all
logic. "Between I and him" gets 200G, "between me and him"--652G,
"between me and he"--shocking 9.06M, "between I and he"--800G, all raw.

Don't think it does? Take a look for the numbers with he/I and
he/me--the result is reversed! 1.05M to 3M raw. With "she" it's even
worse--51.4G to 733G! Comparing she/him and her/he combinations (in
either order) is truly hair-raising.

It's as if people deliberately use the most clashing combinations. Is
everyone overcorrecting overcorrections even further in the wrong direction?


On 2/22/2010 11:41 AM, Tom Zurinskas wrote:
> Is the phrase "by a factor of" common in US?  To say A outnumbers B by a factor of 4.4 - what does that mean?  If B is 100 than A is  ?
> Sorry.  Too old for new math.
> Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL7+
> see phonetic spelling
> ----------------------------------------
>> back in this thread, Jon Lighter claimed that "between you and I" had
>> virtually replaced "between you and me" (at least in certain
>> contexts). this is wildly exaggerated, but there's a point here.
>> google searches on {"just between you and me"} and {"just between you
>> and I"] shows substantial numbers for both, but the second outnumbers
>> the first -- by a factor of 4.4 in raw hits, by a factor of 1.44 in a
>> "reduced" search. (both occur in song titles, by the way.)
>> the number of hits for the second is jacked yp -- it's hard to tell
>> how much -- by a large number of *complaints* about "between you and i".
>> so, "between you and me" isn't really threatened, but "between you and
>> I" seems to be well-established in informal english.
>> arnold

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