McWhorter on "Negro" [Was: on "Negro English"]

[Margaret Lee]

And WEB DuBois's 1903 book is entitled The Souls of Black Folk.
 
M argaret Lee

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--- On Tue, 1/19/10, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:

I'm starting to recall that Malcolm X called for the use of _Black_ in his
autobiography in 1964, some years before Carmichael's _Black Power_.  It
didn't become media mainstream until after MLK's assassination.


JL

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Tom Zurinskas <truespel at hotmail.com> wrote:

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> They should have told Dr King, who in his famous "I have a dream" speech
> said "Negro" 15 times, "Black" 4 times and "citizens of color" once.
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> If race truly means nothing, we ought to turn to flavors; chocolate,
> vanilla, strawberry, almond and banana.  Anything else is rocky road.
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> > One reason that "Negro" got discarded was the claim, publicized by
> > Carmichael and/or Brown but dating back to at least 1914, that "Nee-gro"
> > [often pronounced with contemptuous inflexion] is just a "polite form of
> > 'nigger.'" The source was a belief that the "polite form" was used
> > cynically as a code-word in the presence of the victims who, of course,
> > could not "reasonably" object even if they caught on.
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> > The southern white pronunciation /nIgr@/, often deliberately equivocal,
> > didn't help.
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> > JL
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> > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 7:55 PM, Joel S. Berson wrote:
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> >> At 1/18/2010 12:20 PM, Bill Palmer wrote:
> >>>When I was growing up in Virginia in the 1950's, the few blacks I had
> >>>conversations with, routinely used "colored".
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> >> Was this because there "Negro" sounded to much like "Nigger"? So
> >> "colored" was the term of choice among the other possibilities?
> >>
> >> Joel
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> >>>The local newspapers in all news stories involving blacks had the word
> >>>"negro" following the name. This practice ended sometime in the 60's I
> >>>believe.
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> >>>My great aunt and uncle (natives of KY, born in late 1800's) routinely
> >> used
> >>>"darky", and my wife's aunt, native of SW Georgia, born around 1890
> >>>routinely used the term even when in the presence of blacks. Other than
> >>>those examples, Stephen Foster was the only person I ever heard use that
> >>>term.
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> >>>Bill Palmer
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