McWhorter on "Negro" [Was: on "Negro English"] (UNCLASSIFIED)

[Salikoko Mufwene]

Tom:

    You just forgot an important detail in the application of Swahili
grammar, viz., the modifier must agree with the head noun in class and
number. The combination would NOT give you what you wish for. I think
it's pretty insensitive and colonial of you to be so stubborn on a
subject matter that everybody has politely proved you to be mistaken.

Sali.

Tom Zurinskas wrote:
> In Swahili, the most popular language of Africa, the word for
>
> black is -eusi (suffix?)
> people is watu
>
> Put together you got watu-eusi or in short watusi?  ~waattuesee
> This is the name of a tall slender African tribe, an African long-horned cow, and a dance in the 60's.
> I think we can watusi off as a nice name for black people.  Watusi's the dance made for romance.
>
> from  http://africanlanguages.com/swahili/
>
> -eusi adjective
> 1 black
> 2 dark
> nyeusi See -eusi
> weusi cl. 11 Root -eusi
> 1 blackness
> 2 darkness
>
> Number of results found for 'person': 1
> mtu noun 1/2
> 1 person, human being, individual
> 2 someone, somebody
> jitu noun 5/6, animate Stem mtu
> giant
> watu pl noun 1/2 See singular mtu
> people, population
>
>
>
> Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL7+
> see truespel.com phonetic spelling
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>
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>> To echo Salikoko, why would we turn to Swahili, or any other African
>> language, for that language's word for *black*?
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>> That would be like turning to French, Finnish, or Czech to come up with the
>> English word for *white.*
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>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Tom Zurinskas wrote:
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>>> I dissagree. I think it's a good idea to know what others think is
>>> pejorative so you don't call them that out of ignorance. News to me is that
>>> black folk think "Negro" is pejorative. I'll stay away from that. It's
>>> gonna be "black black black" from now on so everybody is happy. But
>>> somewhere out there in the evolution of words I think a better term will pop
>>> up. What's Swahili for black person.
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>>> Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL7+
>>> see truespel.com phonetic spelling
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>>>>> My only point on the word "Negro" is that I personally don't think of
>>>>> it as a pejorative term any more than Causcasian for whites.
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>>>> But since you aren't black, whether or not you find it pejorative is of
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