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[David Wake]

Are you saying that you don't hear the voicelessness in his "why"s?
Well, that might explain why you say you "never hear ~hw in USA".

If you can bear to listen again, try comparing the "why" at 0:49 with
his "whatever they want" at 0:22-23.  It should be apparent that in
"whatever they want", the second /w/ is fully voiced, by contrast with
the "Why" at 0:49 which has a very perceptible voiceless aspiration at
the beginning.

There is another "why" at 0:19 that, although still perceptibly
voiceless, is perhaps less marked.  The one you want is at 0:49, right
after the nice shot of the horse.

D

On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Tom Zurinskas <truespel at hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Dale's "why" sounds like ~waa (wah) with an offglide ~ee when "why" is said without a word after it.
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> He says "Dale" like ~Da'ool where ~a is as in "dad" and ~ool is as in "wool".  Seems like lots vowels get dipthongized before ~l.
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> Indeed, he says "he was a marine during Vietnam", but that doesn't mean he was over there.
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> Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL7+
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>> Listen to the way this guy from Alabama says "why".
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>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQdTgkY321s
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>> On Jul 16, 2010, at 20:20, Tom Zurinskas wrote:
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>>> I looked up "whilst" in the "MacMillan Dictionary for Children" that
>>> I just bought (I'm collecting dictionaries). It does not contain
>>> the word "whilst". Only "while" and that in verb form as well.
>>> (Does whilst have a verb form too?)
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>>> Interestingly every word that starts with "wh" is given a first
>>> pronunciation of ~hw and a second of ~w (except those pronounced as
>>> ~h, as in who). I never hear ~hw in USA. I don't say ~hw so that
>>> may have something to do with it.
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>>> Imagine "whoa" as "hwoa"
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>>> Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL7+
>>> see truespel.com phonetic spelling
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>>>> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 17:11:25 -0300
>>>> From: dad at POKERWIZ.COM
>>>> Subject: Whilst
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>>>> A while ago, TZ and somebody - don't remember who - had a tiff
>>>> about whether
>>>> Americans say whilst. TZ was saying they do not. I agreed (quietly
>>>> - I
>>>> didn't write anything) at the time, thinking it mostly a Britism.
>>>> Well,
>>>> immediately thereafter I started hearing whilst all over the place on
>>>> American TV shows. I thought: hmph. But then I thought: a lot of
>>>> writers for
>>>> US TV are Brits and Canadians as are many actors in the US. So
>>>> maybe there
>>>> was dialect leak going on, with American actors saying Brit/
>>>> Canadian-written
>>>> lines, or Brit/Canadian actors saying whilst and not knowing
>>>> they're not
>>>> supposed to. I was satisfied with that hypothesis until the other
>>>> day I was
>>>> watching CNN and the interviewee, the District Attorney of some
>>>> Podunk
>>>> county in Ohio, said whilst. So now I'm in a funk and don't know
>>>> what to
>>>> think. Maybe he is another sleeper spy who missed the ESL class on
>>>> while/whilst and thus gave himself away, like when Tony Franciosa
>>>> said
>>>> loo-tenant instead of leff-tenant and gave himself away as not
>>>> being a Brit.
>>>> DAD
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