my bad

Sat May 8 01:40:52 UTC 2010

A-Man! ;-) (Pun intended!.)

-Wilson

On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Subject:      Re: my bad
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> Thanks, Wilson.  If memory serves (ha!), long ago doesn't seem all that
> blissful. Much like today, just more time, less to do, and fewer funny
> symptoms.
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> OTOH,  perhaps 'twere paradise enow - relatively speaking.
>
> JL
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> On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Wilson Gray <hwgray at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Jon writes,
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>> "Constant readers will observe that this isn't the first time that one of
>> my
>> recollections of minute diachronic detail has proved to be mistaken."
>>
>> Check yourself, my brother! Isn't any big thing. If I couldn't call
>> upon my memory, it almost wouldn't be *anything* that I would be
>> knowing. My recall of words and phrases always be correct, if can't
>> anybody *prove* it wrong. But wouldn't anybody be getting a chance to
>> prove my powers of recall weak, if I didn't be posting from memory!
>>
>> Sometimes, I do be double-checking, though, prior to posting. But only
>> when *I* think that I may be wrong.
>>
>> OTOH, doesn't be anything wrong behind retracting an assertion or a
>> claim, if, by chance, it does be shown that one be done posted an
>> error in error.
>>
>> Cf., e.g. the undocumented and probably undocumentable PHATT that
>> still the hands of memory be weaving, a blissful dream of long ago
>> (sixty years).
>>
>> -Wilson
>>
>> On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
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>> > Poster:       Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM>
>> > Subject:      Re: my bad
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>> > I don't have a copy of the book either, so I can't vouch for what may b=
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>> in
>> > the main text. OED dates its Wielgus & Wolff citation to "1986."  But i=
> t
>> > looks as though it comes not from the _In-Your-Face Basketball Book_
>> (1980)
>> > but from a sequel.
>> >
>> > Somehow, during the discussion, the identity of which "Wielgus & Wolff"
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>> > we were talking about became confused. I apologize if I aided or create=
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>> > e
>> > confusion.
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>> > Constant readers will observe that this isn't the first time that one o=
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>> my
>> > recollections of minute diachronic detail has proved to be mistaken.  I
>> wil=3D
>> > l
>> > bear this in mind to avoid future, bitter humiliations.
>> >
>> > At least there *is* a 1980 W & W book about pick-up basketball with a
>> slang
>> > glossary in it.  For this I am thankful.
>> >
>> > (An oversize paperback with large print and many illustrations, I hope?=
> )
>> >
>> >
>> > JL
>> >
>> > On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Jesse Sheidlower <jester at panix.com>
>> wrote:
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>> >> Poster:       Jesse Sheidlower <jester at PANIX.COM>
>> >> Subject:      Re: my bad
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>> >> I've never seen any edition of the book; I was going on the
>> >> assertion that it was in the 1980 ed.
>> >>
>> >> Jesse Sheidlower
>> >> OED
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, May 06, 2010 at 02:19:20PM -0400, Shapiro, Fred wrote:
>> >> > Jon,
>> >> >
>> >> > I have a copy of the 1980 edition of this book, and in a quick glanc=
> e
>> I
>> >> don't see "my bad" in the glossary.  Do you remember seeing it in the
>> >> glossary or somewhere else in the book?
>> >> >
>> >> > Fred
>> >> >
>> >> > ________________________________________
>> >> > From: American Dialect Society [ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of
>> >> Jonathan Lighter [wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM]
>> >> > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 1:13 PM
>> >> > To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>> >> > Subject: Re: my bad
>> >> >
>> >> > Jesse,
>> >> >
>> >> > WorldCat dates Wielgus & Wolff's _In-Your-Face Basketball Book_ to
>> 1980=3D
>> > .
>> >> >
>> >> > That's where I saw it. I didn't include "my bad" in the B's because
>> the=3D
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>> >> > was only one cite and it sounded too moronicever to catch on.
>> >> >
>> >> > Never say, "too moronic."
>> >> >
>> >> > I trust all is well in the Large Apple.
>> >> >
>> >> > Jon
>> >> >
>> >> > On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Jesse Sheidlower <jester at panix.com=
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>> >> wrote:
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>> >> > > Subject:      Re: my bad
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>> >> > > Jon,
>> >> > >
>> >> > > What's the 1980 example? I can't recall having seen a print
>> >> > > example that early, and if it's in the archives, I've missed
>> >> > > it there too....
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Thanks.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Jesse Sheidlower
>> >> > > OED
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 11:37:27AM -0400, Jonathan Lighter wrote:
>> >> > > > When this came up last year people had trouble finding a still
>> >> earlier
>> >> > > > discussion in the Archives.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Now I can't find last year's discussion.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Except in my mailbox.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > "My bad" was print in 1980, reported as being a common term amon=
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>> >> mostly
>> >> > > > inner-city teenagers in pick-up basketball games. It took quite =
> a
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>> > ew
>> >> > > > years to catch on in the media.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > I didn't come across another ex. of "my bad" until 1994-95, when
>> it
>> >> began
>> >> > > to
>> >> > > > become common. If I had, I'd have made a note of it.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > JL
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Paul Frank <
>> >> paulfrank at post.harvard.edu
>> >> > > >wrote:
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>> >> > > > > When did people start saying "my bad"? I never heard it in hig=
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>> >> school
>> >> > > > > in the late 70s in England and in university in the early 80s =
> in
>> >> > > > > England. And I can't really remember when I first heard it in
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>> >> > > > > school in the U.S., but it was probably in the early 90s. Or
>> mayb=3D
>> > e
>> >> I
>> >> > > > > wasn't listening and people have been saying it for centuries.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Paul
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Paul Frank
>> >> > > > > Translator
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-Wilson
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