Silent double-L? [seriously OT]

Steve Kleinedler stevekl at GMAIL.COM
Thu May 20 20:40:39 UTC 2010


I was thinking of French cookery.

--short message because it's from my iPhone

On May 20, 2010, at 16:12, Robin Hamilton <robin.hamilton2 at BTINTERNET.COM
 > wrote:

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> Subject:      Re: Silent double-L? [seriously OT]
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> From: "Steve Kl." <stevekl at GMAIL.COM>
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>> A few of french origin, like maillot and paillard
>
> Hey, Steve:
>
> Another one to mark down to the Law of Unintended Consequences, but by
> "paillard" (OED2: palliard, n. and adj), do you mean a member of
> Harman's
> Original Seventh Order of Thieves and Vagabonds (aka a
> clapperdudgeon)?
>
> Or a French cookery reference, that would embrace both maillot and
> paillard?
>
> {Damn!!  Maybe there *is more mileage in a direct Early Middle
> French impact
> on 16thC English thieves' cant via coquillard than there is for Alice
> Becker-Ho's argument in _Princes of Jargon_ that, "It's All Down To
> The
> Rom".}
>
> <Another moral from this song might be that Wilson Gray's project of
> teaching-by-showing is a seriously sick chickun [sic], which depends
> on a
> complex interaction of context and audience, and an assumption of a
> degree
> of sophistication on the part of the auditors.
>
> Which does not always hold.
>
>            :-(
>
> I'd worried when I followed up Wilson's Blank Content post(s) by an
> explication ...
>
> (Proviso:  Nothing I say here has been read by Wilson Gray or should
> be
> interpreted in any possible way to suggest that I can read his mind
> or that
> he in the least endorses anything I say here or elsewhere, but ...)
>
> ... I did worry that, In Explaining, I was playing Dumb Student to
> his Zen
> Master koan, and I might simply be smearing my thumbprints over his
> cards
> ...
>
>        ... or maybe not.
>
> ADS-l  is the second sharpest list I've encountered that actually
> seems to,
> not just acknowledge but deploy, the functional pertinency of the
> use of
> multiple registers as a formal epistemological technique.
>
>            Or summat.
>
> Given that the only other one I know, poetryetc, is currently,
> glumly, as a
> collective, trying to explain, without using these terms, that there
> is a
> difference between playing hetronym games and deploying a persona,
> and comes
> down to it, what matters is doing something well rather from doing
> it at all
> ...
>
>            <sigh>
>
> So anyway,
>
>    Justathot from not-a-Grunt
>
>                Robin
>
> (Gotmittunz -- All Uz Chickuns Got Boots)
>
> One Last Thot:
>
> As to A-B H -- what do you expect.
>
> ... Oh dear, I'm beginning to remember ...  Left wing pananoia, and
> when
> "they" insisted on burning the ballots of all those who voted for
> Danny the
> Red in the Glasgow Rectorail Election in 1968 ...
>
> All of us on the left were screaming "Typical Liberal Paranoia" ...
>
> That was *before The Night of the Long Knives (Glasgow 1968 Version) :
>
> Sometimes the liberals get right.
>
>                    <:-((((>
>
>            SBT
>
>                        Robin
>
>> On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Joel S. Berson <Berson at att.net>
>> wrote:
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>>> Are there any English words with a silent double-L in the middle?
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>>> Joel
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