Singing in a dialect and "Authentic pronunciation"

Sat Oct 2 16:45:21 UTC 2010

I think I've mentioned these before, but RP-speaking Hugh Laurie strikes me as a particularly good American in "House" and there's a movie with Robert Duvall playing a Scottish football manager (I forget what it is, but it has Glory in the title)--now, I study Scots and lived there for 13 years--and I only heard one mistake in the whole movie, and that's not an easy one for outsiders to do (as Mike Myers and Robin Williams can testify to.  Renee Zellweger's Bridget Jones isn't bad either.
Is it just me, or have Hollywood productions gotten more careful about getting at least a reasonable approximation to accents than they did, say, three decades ago?

Paul Johnston
On Oct 2, 2010, at 9:45 AM, Jonathan Lighter wrote:

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> My experience is that, beyond two or three stereotypical pronunciations in
> each case, most people don't know what another dialect should sound like.
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> A fellow graduate student (from Georgia, I believe) once told me that I
> didn't sound like a New Yorker because I didn't say "boid."   Another was
> dismayed by my unfamiliar pronunciation of the O's in "Florida" and
> "Oregon." She thought it was just a personal idiosyncracy.
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> I have a friend from middle Tennessee whose (very) Upper-South accent
> was described by an English woman as "characteristically American."  This
> statement is both true and false.
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> My wife's New York accent is rather more "typical" than mine (though she
> doesn't say "boid" either). When she was living in a small town in
> Tennessee, some people thought she was from "across the water."  (And no,
> smart guys, they knew where New York is.)
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> Not everyone is a dialectician.  People are usually quite sensitive to bad
> imitations of their own accents, however.
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> I can recall some English people decades ago remarking on Peter Sellers'
> "marvelous" ability to mimic an "American" accent (as though there were just
> one).  He was fairly good, actually, but once did a commercial (for an
> airline, IIRC) in which he portrayed an American "businessman."  Every time,
> however, he said "businessm'n."  This struck me as howlingly bad - so wrong
> that I remember it forty years later. His director, however, apparently
> never noticed.
>
> Some actors of a later generation are indeed brilliant at dialects,
> however.  I especially remember Londoner Emily Loyd as a Kentuckian girl in
> _In Country_ (1988).  Real Kentuckians with linguistic training may have
> found grounds to cavil, but she sounded perfectly authentic to me.  Mel
> Gibson seems to have wowed 'em in Oz with his fake accent.
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> Then there are these guys:
> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128567769
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> I know I've heard some very credible fake accents, but I can't name any
> other performers at the moment.  Of course, what I think credible may sound
> execrable to somebody with a better ear.
>
> Finally, singers who adopt fake accents may do it out of respect for the
> song and the source rather than simply to show off.  The accent, even if
> poorly reproduced, is part of the sound.
>
> JL
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> On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 2:52 AM, Eric Nielsen <ericbarnak at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> There's an ongoing thread at this music (mostly harmonica) site,
>> harp-l.org, concerning performers singing in dialects they were not
>> born to.
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>> Using the search terms "authentic pronunciation" in the site archive will
>> bring you to the thread listings:
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>> http://harp-l.org/mailman/mmsearch/harp-l?config=3Dharp-l&restrict=3D&exclu=
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>> de=3D&method=3Dand&format=3Dshort&sort=3Dscore&words=3Dauthentic+pronunciat=
>> ion
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>> Here are some samples:
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>> "Yup, when i'm in the UK I get asked " wot part of Aussie 'r you from then"
>> In the States they think I'm english.
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>> I remember years ago Brendan Power getting a laugh once by remarking after
>> he had just sung his 'Onion Blues' on a Newzealand stage "Why do we all
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>> in American accents?"
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>> Maori rappers in NZ all sing like they come from inner city Stateside yet
>> when they are being interviewed or whatever, out comes a broad kiwi accent.
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>> But hey,I have heard some singers at an Irish 'session' try to sound like
>> they come from Dublin ;-)
>>
>> Rick
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>> in the land of fush an' chups"
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>> http://harp-l.org/mailman/htdig/harp-l/2010-September/msg01175.html
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>> "...Hearing non-Americans trying to do an American pronunciation is not a
>> turnoff to me, though I must admit to absolutely never seeking out the
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>> of, say, Italian blues bands. Unless a band has something new to say, I'd
>> rather hear the original.
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>> What absolutely kills a record for me is to hear a white American band
>> playing well in the first few bars, followed by a white singer who tries to
>> use English like a Black Mississippi man from 1930. I get the same feeling
>> when I hear those horrible old Amos and Andy radio shows from the 1930's.
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>> I run away screaming, often leaving a Deifik-shaped hole in the drywall."
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>> http://harp-l.org/mailman/htdig/harp-l/2010-September/msg01058.html
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>> =93I have followed this thread with interest and some amusement. I guess
>> it=
>> is
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>> a worldwide phenomenon.
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>> Here in Ireland singers who aspire to the 'big time' seem to think that it
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>> is necessary to sing in what they believe is an "American" accent.
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>> I silently applaud anyone I hear singing in their natural locally acquired
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>> voice: Dolores Keane or Frank Harte for example.
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>> As for non-native speaking guys singing in Gaelic (self included) Lets not
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>> go there!
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>> Beannachtai
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>> Aongus Mac Cana=94
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>> http://harp-l.org/pipermail/harp-l/2010-September/msg01188.html
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>> In the case of other performance artists, I have noticed that many actors
>> have a command of dialects (?) that sounds very convincing to my ear. How
>> many of the general public know that Hugh Laurie is British or didn=92t
>> readily accept Cate Blanchett as American when she acted in =93The Gift=94
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>> or
>> =93The Shipping News=94.
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>> To paraphrase an old song, do you have to live the life you sing about in
>> your song?
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>> Hope this is of interest to some,
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>> Eric
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