Singing in a dialect and "Authentic pronunciation" (UNCLASSIFIED)

[Wilson Gray]

My wife, a fan of "new" music, has just brought to my attention a
recently-discovered, 29-year-old, white singer who is greatly praised
by random white music critics because, it is written, he is considered
to possess "the voice of a fifty-year-old, black bluesman!"

Do y'all white folks have *any* kind of idea, the *least* concept, of
how much it sucks donkey dick for colored folks to have to spend their
lives hearing and reading how *great* it is that some *white* person
has, in some way, trained himself/herself to be, in some way,
niggerish, whereas the people who are such by birthright are despised,
distrusted, ridiculed, and even feared?

--
-Wilson
–––
All say, "How hard it is that we have to die!"––a strange complaint to
come from the mouths of people who have had to live.
–Mark Twain





On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Tom Zurinskas <truespel at hotmail.com> wrote:
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> I recently had a choir leader classically trained that said swap that "r" for "uh" at the end of words. Â No clue why.
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>> Of course, trained singers have undergone a lot of training on vocal
>> diction, and that determines their sung pronunciation as much as
>> accent. Moreso with more training. I remember noticing back in the
>> 70s the consistency with which Motown singers, who were put through
>> some pretty rigorous vocal training, all dropped post-vocalic /r/. I
>> don't think it was just an AAVE thing. I think it was training,
>> because these singers came from all over the country.
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>> Herb
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>> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Mullins, Bill AMRDEC
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>> >> IMHO, if singers lose accents in songs, and I think they do, then it
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>> >> toward the great amount of tonality in accents that we are not aware
>> > of,
>> >> because the singing takes the tonality out from native speech and
>> > overrides it
>> >> with the notes of the song.
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>> > Isn't this [singing takes the tonality . . .] only one of many possible
>> > explanations for why singers may lose accents in songs? For example,
>> > Mel Tillis stutters while he speaks, but sings without stutter. I doubt
>> > the tonality has anything to do with this. But whatever process makes
>> > him not stutter while singing may also make accented singers sing more
>> > neutrally.
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