Whilst
Jonathan Lighter
wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM
Tue Sep 7 20:14:39 UTC 2010
The current thread on McWhorter and so-called Ebonics links to an NPR page
that includes the following remark from a caller:
"Like I said, I've been around African-American Marines who, you know, they
speak that way before they come in the Marine Corps. And then, whilst, you
know, whilst they're in the Marine Corps and things like that, where it's
kind of not tolerated, you know, it kind of, you know, comes across as
disrespectful when you speak to somebody that way - or at least, you know,
in that general culture."
Affected? Brit immigrant? Can we know?
JL
On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>wrote:
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> Republicans are not the worst of everything moral/ethical. You're thinking
> of Tea Partiers. To keep it linguistic, Tea Party "non-leader" (seems
> every Tea Party member is equally a leader because they believe in freedom)
> Mark Williams exclaim on CNN that the NAACP is a top racist organization,
> partly because it has the word "colored" in its name?
>
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/14/mark-williams-tea-party-express-naacp-racist_n_646989.html
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> What he did next is even weirder, if possible. It's a letter to Abe
> Lincoln.
>
> JL
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> On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu
> >wrote:
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> > Subject: Re: Whilst
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> > At 2:22 PM -0300 7/17/10, David A. Daniel wrote:
> > >And did you notice he said he was a Marine "during" Vietnam, not "in",
> as
> > >misspoken by that guy in Massachusetts (don't remember his name and
> don't
> > >feel like looking it up).
> >
> > Blumenthal, and he's from Connecticut--and don't you forget it! We're
> > proud of our public misspeakers!
> >
> > > I wonder if that was part of a cascade effect, or
> > >if he goes around saying "during" normally.
> >
> > Good catch. I think he is indeed implicating he didn't serve *in*
> > Vietnam (or he would have said so).
> >
> > > I thought the rifle was cute; no
> > >use wasting a thousand words when one picture will do. OTOH, he said,
> "we
> > >are Republicans, so we are better than that." I've always found
> > Republicans
> > >to be the worst of everything moral/ethical. But I guess he doesn't
> think
> > >so. (I thought he said 5 billion. No?)
> >
> > No, I went back to check. It's 5 million. You've probably been
> > corrupted by the thugs and criminals and/or the illegal immigrants.
> >
> > LH
> > >
> > >
> > >If a vegetarian eats vegetables, what does a humanitarian eat?
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: American Dialect Society [mailto:ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On
> Behalf
> > Of
> > >Bill Palmer
> > >Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 1:59 PM
> > >To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> > >Subject: Re: Whilst
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >[OT] Linguistics aside, it's just a very arresting commercial. I don't
> > know
> > >about y'all, but I certainly do want a well-armed ag commissioner in my
> > >state.
> > >
> > >Since I'm already off-topic, $5 million seems like a pretty picayune
> > budget
> > >for the ag commissioner in a state like Alabama.
> > >
> > >And another thing (since Dale brings it up and includes dog tags in his
> > >campaign graphic, and as a retired military officer I can say this ...we
> > >have gotten to the point that
> > >military veteran = selfless saint, personification of honor and virtue.
> > >Military personnel come out of the human race like everyone else. (Still
> > >though, I wish more members of congress & the administration would have
> > >served, so they would have some idea of the effects of their actions.
> > >
> > >My apologies for the rant.
> > >
> > >Bill P
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "David Wake" <dnwake at GMAIL.COM>
> > >To: <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> > >Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 11:16 AM
> > >Subject: Re: Whilst
> > >
> > >
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> > >>
> > >> Listen to the way this guy from Alabama says "why".
> > >>
> > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQdTgkY321s
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> > >> On Jul 16, 2010, at 20:20, Tom Zurinskas <truespel at HOTMAIL.COM>
> wrote:
> > >>
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> > >>> Poster: Tom Zurinskas <truespel at HOTMAIL.COM>
> > >>> Subject: Re: Whilst
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> > >>> I looked up "whilst" in the "MacMillan Dictionary for Children" that
> > >>> I just bought (I'm collecting dictionaries). It does not contain
> > >>> the word "whilst". Only "while" and that in verb form as well.
> > >>> (Does whilst have a verb form too?)
> > >>>
> > >>> Interestingly every word that starts with "wh" is given a first
> > >>> pronunciation of ~hw and a second of ~w (except those pronounced as
> > >>> ~h, as in who). I never hear ~hw in USA. I don't say ~hw so that
> > >>> may have something to do with it.
> > >>>
> > >>> Imagine "whoa" as "hwoa"
> > >>>
> > >>> Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL7+
> > >>> see truespel.com phonetic spelling
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
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> > >>>> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 17:11:25 -0300
> > >>>> From: dad at POKERWIZ.COM
> > >>>> Subject: Whilst
> > >>>> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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> > >>>> Poster: "David A. Daniel"
> > >>>> Subject: Whilst
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> > >>>>
> > >>>> A while ago, TZ and somebody - don't remember who - had a tiff
> > >>>> about whether
> > > >>> Americans say whilst. TZ was saying they do not. I agreed (quietly
> > >>>> - I
> > >>>> didn't write anything) at the time, thinking it mostly a Britism.
> > >>>> Well,
> > >>>> immediately thereafter I started hearing whilst all over the place
> on
> > >>>> American TV shows. I thought: hmph. But then I thought: a lot of
> > >>>> writers for
> > >>>> US TV are Brits and Canadians as are many actors in the US. So
> > >>>> maybe there
> > >>>> was dialect leak going on, with American actors saying Brit/
> > >>>> Canadian-written
> > >>>> lines, or Brit/Canadian actors saying whilst and not knowing
> > >>>> they're not
> > >>>> supposed to. I was satisfied with that hypothesis until the other
> > >>>> day I was
> > >>>> watching CNN and the interviewee, the District Attorney of some
> > >>>> Podunk
> > >>>> county in Ohio, said whilst. So now I'm in a funk and don't know
> > >>>> what to
> > >>>> think. Maybe he is another sleeper spy who missed the ESL class on
> > >>>> while/whilst and thus gave himself away, like when Tony Franciosa
> > >>>> said
> > >>>> loo-tenant instead of leff-tenant and gave himself away as not
> > >>>> being a Brit.
> > >>>> DAD
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