"As with"

[Dan Goncharoff]

Didn't Winston cigarettes kill "like" when it make a big deal of
changing from "like a cigarette should" to "as a cigarette should"?

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On Aug 9, 2011, at 4:53 PM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:

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> What happened to "like"? That would work fine in the Lucinda Childs ex.
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> Is "as with" partly the result of "like" avoidance?
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> JL
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> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Cohen, Gerald Leonard <gcohen at mst.edu>wrote:
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>> Fwiw, this seems to be a shortening of "As is the case with,..."
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>> G. Cohen
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>> Original message from: Megan O'Neil, Tue 8/9/2011 2:08 PM:
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>> I'm working this summer with Arnold Zwicky on a project.  We just
>> started looking at the use of sentence-initial "As with..." in a
>> sentence, and we're looking for any feedback or thoughts others might
>> have.
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>> The use of "As with" is actually quite common.  Searching for examples
>> proved to be quite easy and straightforward.  It also turned up a lot
>> of headlines that use the construction, which I found interesting.
>> The following is a headline from the Los Angeles Times:
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>> "As with many in dance, Lucinda Childs finds inspiration from Merce
>> Cunningham."
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>> This particular sentence is a perfect example of how to employ "As
>> with" in a way that doesn't invite criticism or confusion.  Many of
>> the examples I found were along these same lines, but there were also
>> (of course) those that left the reader quite baffled.  Ultimately,
>> ["As with X"] triggers a comparison that is going to happen between
>> the main clause and the "as with" phrase.  The main clause supplies
>> the thing that X is being compared to and also the basis for the
>> comparison.
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>> My question is this: Has anyone looked at these types of sentences
>> before?  If so, what are your thoughts?  Is there any literature on
>> the subject?
>> Any feedback is welcome.  Thanks!
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