"As with"

[Jonathan Lighter]

No, but by blithely accepting it, they helped drive in the last coffin nail.

JL

On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 6:22 PM, Dan Goncharoff <thegonch at gmail.com> wrote:

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> Didn't Winston cigarettes kill "like" when it make a big deal of
> changing from "like a cigarette should" to "as a cigarette should"?
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> On Aug 9, 2011, at 4:53 PM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM>
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> > What happened to "like"? That would work fine in the Lucinda Childs ex.
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> > Is "as with" partly the result of "like" avoidance?
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> > JL
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> > On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Cohen, Gerald Leonard <gcohen at mst.edu
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> >> Fwiw, this seems to be a shortening of "As is the case with,..."
> >> =20
> >> G. Cohen
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> >> Original message from: Megan O'Neil, Tue 8/9/2011 2:08 PM:
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> >> I'm working this summer with Arnold Zwicky on a project.  We just
> >> started looking at the use of sentence-initial "As with..." in a
> >> sentence, and we're looking for any feedback or thoughts others might
> >> have.
> >>
> >> The use of "As with" is actually quite common.  Searching for examples
> >> proved to be quite easy and straightforward.  It also turned up a lot
> >> of headlines that use the construction, which I found interesting.
> >> The following is a headline from the Los Angeles Times:
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> >> "As with many in dance, Lucinda Childs finds inspiration from Merce
> >> Cunningham."
> >>
> >> This particular sentence is a perfect example of how to employ "As
> >> with" in a way that doesn't invite criticism or confusion.  Many of
> >> the examples I found were along these same lines, but there were also
> >> (of course) those that left the reader quite baffled.  Ultimately,
> >> ["As with X"] triggers a comparison that is going to happen between
> >> the main clause and the "as with" phrase.  The main clause supplies
> >> the thing that X is being compared to and also the basis for the
> >> comparison.
> >>
> >> My question is this: Has anyone looked at these types of sentences
> >> before?  If so, what are your thoughts?  Is there any literature on
> >> the subject?
> >> Any feedback is welcome.  Thanks!
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