re "foodie"

[Garson O'Toole]

HDAS has this definition on page 796:
foodie n. a person keenly interested in food, esp. in eating or cooking.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu> wrote:
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> On Dec 8, 2011, at 11:32 PM, Victor Steinbok wrote:
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>> But it's /not/ a "complete synonym of 'gourmet'"!
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> My point exactly.  The actual definition of "foodie" doesn't quite claim =
> complete synonymy as I wrote last night--
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> A person with a particular interest in food; a gourmet. Sometimes =
> distinguished from =91gourmet=92 as implying a broad interest in all =
> aspects of food procurement and preparation.
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> --but I still don't think that quite describes it, although the article =
> I mentioned--focusing on those insisting on the virtues of obtaining =
> local and wild ingredients--wouldn't characterize a gourmet the way it =
> does a foodie.  Let's see what AHD5 (yay!) has...
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> Nope, basically the same, I'm afraid:
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> Slang.  'One has an ardent or refined interest in food; a gourmet.  Also =
> call _foodist_.'
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> Maybe I'm also finding a difference in the _kind_ of food foodies vs. =
> gourmets are in love with, and what the prototype member of each =
> category looks like (dresses like, talks like, etc.). as well as the =
> insistence on sourcing the ingredients and so on.  Is there a more =
> accurate definition around?  I'd like one that predicts that, say, =
> Calvin Trillin is a foodie but not a gourmet. =20
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> LH
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>>=20
>> On 12/8/2011 8:41 PM, Laurence Horn wrote:
>>> ...
>>>=20
>>> But even if the OED's Greene cite does turn out to be unantedateable, =
> their definition--basically treating "foodie" as a complete synonym of =
> "gourmet", seems a bit off, if only because of the sort of people each =
> term evokes (in both the U.S. and the U.K., as far as I can tell).
>>>=20
>>> LH
>>=20
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