The "Big Bad Wolf" and chickens?

[Baker, John]

Also in The Progressive Road to Reading, http://books.google.com/books?id=xr8AAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA58&dq=%22big+bad+wolf%22, which has a copyright date of 1909 and a library stamp of 1924.
 
 
John Baker
 

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There are quite a few incorrect dates for books containing "big, bad
wolf" but this link goes to a 1914 work that looks ok.

Life and Literature Readers: First Reader
http://books.google.com/books?id=zjlCAAAAIAAJ&q=%22bad+wolf%22#v=snippet&

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> John, I'm not at all certain that those GB refs. are independent of Disney.
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> Snippets show that at least some of the dates are wildly wrong.
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> The "signature" song, "Who's Afraid of the Big Bad Wolf?" appears to have
> premiered along with the cartoon in the spring of 1933.
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> Victor, is there an indisputable pre-Disney cite of "the big, bad wolf"?
> The link goes to a 1947 cartoon with "BBW" used by an IMDb reviewer.
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> JL
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> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Baker, John <JMB at stradley.com> wrote:
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>>        Google Books does have earlier examples of the "big, bad wolf."
>> These are in full text and appear to check out.  I didn't see "Big Bad
>> Wolf," though.
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>>        Li'l Bad Wolf was a regular in the pages of Walt Disney's Comics
>> and Stories, the Disney anthology comic book that has run since 1940.  I
>> seem to recall that in those stories Zeke did occasionally go after
>> chickens.
>>
>>        "Li'l" and its variant, "Little," is a surprisingly common name
>> for children in the comics:  Little Lotta, Little Dot, Little Lulu, even
>> Li'l Abner.  Rarely seen in real life.
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>>
>> John Baker
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>> I dunno, Victor, Are you sure you're talking about Disney's Zeke "The
>> Big
>> Bad" Wolf?
>>
>> My impression is that the Disney wolf & pigs cartoon was the earliest
>> source
>> to call the wolf "The Big Bad."
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>> Specialists will recall the angst of his son, "Li'l Wolf," as he tried
>> to thwart his father with good deeds. Adding to his difficulties was
>> that he
>> was a boy named Li'l.
>>
>> Where are you now, Li'l Wolf? We hope you have triumphed over your
>> tragic
>> upbringing.
>>
>> JL
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