The "Big Bad Wolf" and chickens?

[Garson O'Toole]

Yes, and the 1909 work is fun because in one tale the big, bad wolf
faces off against three small color-coded cats: black, white, and
gray.

There is a hen character in a few stories and a chicken character too,
but I do not believe that either appear in a story with the wolf.

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 9:51 PM, Baker, John <JMB at stradley.com> wrote:
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> Also in The Progressive Road to Reading, =
> http://books.google.com/books?id=3Dxr8AAAAAYAAJ&pg=3DPA58&dq=3D%22big+bad=
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> 1924.
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> There are quite a few incorrect dates for books containing "big, bad
> wolf" but this link goes to a 1914 work that looks ok.
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> Life and Literature Readers: First Reader
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>> John, I'm not at all certain that those GB refs. are independent of =
> Disney.
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>> Snippets show that at least some of the dates are wildly wrong.
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>> The "signature" song, "Who's Afraid of the Big Bad Wolf?" appears to =
> have
>> premiered along with the cartoon in the spring of 1933.
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>> Victor, is there an indisputable pre-Disney cite of "the big, bad =
> wolf"?
>> The link goes to a 1947 cartoon with "BBW" used by an IMDb reviewer.
>>
>> JL
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>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Baker, John <JMB at stradley.com> wrote:
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>>>        Google Books does have earlier examples of the "big, bad =
> wolf."
>>> These are in full text and appear to check out.  I didn't see "Big =
> Bad
>>> Wolf," though.
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>>>        Li'l Bad Wolf was a regular in the pages of Walt Disney's =
> Comics
>>> and Stories, the Disney anthology comic book that has run since 1940. =
>  I
>>> seem to recall that in those stories Zeke did occasionally go after
>>> chickens.
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>>>        "Li'l" and its variant, "Little," is a surprisingly common =
> name
>>> for children in the comics:  Little Lotta, Little Dot, Little Lulu, =
> even
>>> Li'l Abner.  Rarely seen in real life.
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>>> John Baker
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>>> I dunno, Victor, Are you sure you're talking about Disney's Zeke "The
>>> Big
>>> Bad" Wolf?
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>>> My impression is that the Disney wolf & pigs cartoon was the earliest
>>> source
>>> to call the wolf "The Big Bad."
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>>> Specialists will recall the angst of his son, "Li'l Wolf," as he =
> tried
>>> to thwart his father with good deeds. Adding to his difficulties was
>>> that he
>>> was a boy named Li'l.
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>>> Where are you now, Li'l Wolf? We hope you have triumphed over your
>>> tragic
>>> upbringing.
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