real-time (UNCLASSIFIED)

Tue May 3 01:21:23 UTC 2011

At 6:42 PM -0400 5/2/11, Jonathan Lighter wrote:
>CNN reports that "The White House launched the mission against Bin Laden in
>real time."

They looked into launching it retroactively, in the summer of 2001,
but they couldn't find a working DeLorean. (And then there were the
Libyan terrorists to deal with...)

LH

>
>It seems to mean "using super electronic devices that allowed for
>instant communications between people in Washington and others in
>helicopters, in Pakistan, in Afghanistan, at sea, and God knows where-all
>else."
>
>That may be. But it's only a guess.
>
>JL
>
>On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Jonathan Lighter
><wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>wrote:
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>>  This one seems conclusive.
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>>  In CNN's discussion after the President's news conference this afternoon,
>>  John Avlon of the _Daily Beast_ commented that Obama's tax compromise/
>>  sellout/ epiphany/ Munich is "happening in real time in Washington."
>>
>>  I.e., in actuality; moment-by-moment.
>>
>>  JL
>>  On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com
>>  >wrote:
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>>  > "Not part of a planned news report; naturally occurring":
>>  >
>>  > Greg Palkot, Fox News Channel (Nov. 2004)
>>  > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,140445,00.html :
>>  > I do a stand-up report amid a pile of rubble. Later, cameraman Pierre
>>  says,
>>  > "Greg ... did you know you were standing on somebody while you were
>>  > speaking?"
>>  >
>>  > But now, we're about to walk into real-time terror.
>>  >
>>  > In another neighborhood, the young men of 2nd Squad =97 whom we've gotten
>>  > t=
>>  > o
>>  > know pretty well in the last few days =97 come face to face with the
>>  enemy.
>>  >
>>  > JL
>>  > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Garson O'Toole
>>  > <adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com>wrote:
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>>  > > In the past it was common for an internet accessible feed of stock
>>  > > market prices to be delayed. If you wanted price data that was current
>>  > > you had to pay extra. The premium service was typically called
>>  > > "real-time quotes". The term meant roughly quotes without delay (more
>>  > > accurately, it meant quotes without an artificially imposed delay.)
>>  > > Here are two examples. I am sure it can be pushed back further:
>>  > >
>>  > > InfoWorld - Sep 17, 1984 - Page 32. Vol. 6, No. 38 - 80 pages -
>>  Magazine
>>  > >
>>  > > He says that real-time quotes (which go on-line as they appear on
>  > > > ticker tape) solve part of the problem, but many information services
>>  > > offer only 15-minute delayed quotations.
>>  > >
>>  > >
>>  http://books.google.com/books?id=3DGy8EAAAAMBAJ&q=3Ddelayed#v=3Dsnippet&
>>  > >
>>  > >
>>  > > Cite: 1983 December 19, Milwaukee Sentinel, System Lets You Be Your
>>  > > Own Broker, Part 2: Page 13 (GN Page 19), Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
>>  > > (Google News archive)
>>  > >
>>  > > "You can receive real-time quotes, update and manage your portfolio on
>>  > > a real-time basis," said Anderson.
>>  > >
>>  > > Perhaps this earlier simplified sense of "without delay" influenced
>  > > > later usage. In the booking agent example (given previously on this
>>  > > thread) the phrase "in real-time" could be replaced by "without delay"
>>  > > from the viewpoint of this layperson.
>>  > >
>>  > > OED has the term. OED (DRAFT REVISION Sept. 2010) real time, n., adj.,
>>  > > and adv. Chiefly Computing.
>>  > > There are three definitions given. The booking agent example might fit
>>  > > under A, but the definition is somewhat technical.
>>  > >
>>  > >
>>  > > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Jonathan Lighter
>>  > > <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>  > > > Even if Black was using the phrase in semi-technical sense, others
>>  > > aren't.
>>  > > > I just saw a commercial for something called McGladrey that has an
>>  > acto=
>>  > r
>>  > > > saying, "In this business, you have to know what's going on in real
>>  > > time."
>>  > > >
>>  > > > Turns out he's playing golf and "in real time" can only mean "as it
>>  > > happens;
>>  > > > right now."
>>  > > >
>>  > > > Cf.
>>  > > >
>>  > >
>>  >
>>  http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local-beat/Violence-Threatens-a-Popula=
>>  > r-Vacation-Destination-94793264.html
>>  > > > from
>>  > > > last May:
>>  > > >
>>  > > >  "The State Department has issued a travel alert for Kingston, which
>>  > is=
>>  >  a
>>  > > > distance away from the key vacation spots of Negril, Montego Bay and
>>  > Oc=
>>  > ho
>>  > > > Rios. Still, many wonder if their beach getaways could be disrupted.
>>  > > >
>>  > > > " 'This is why I recommend talking to your booking agent so that you
>>  > > > actually know what's going on, in real time, and what's happening at
>>  > th=
>>  > at
>>  > > > point and time,' said Hird."
>>  > > >
>>  > > > In other words, "at that specific time."
>>  > > >
>>  > > > JL
>>  > > >
>>  > > > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Garson O'Toole
>>  > > > <adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com>wrote:
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>>  > > >> Jonathan Lighter wrote
>>  > > >> >> "In reality rather than by means of special effects."  In a
>>  feature
>>  > > on
>>  > > >> >> Turner Classic Movies, comedian Lewis Black explains that
>>  > > >> >> Harold Lloyd and others "did their stunts in real time."
>>  > > >>
>>  > > >> Bill Mullins wrote:
>>  > > >> > Stunts that were filmed as performed, rather than created in the
>>  > > >> > darkroom, the stunts were in fact done in "real time" -- that is,
>>  > th=
>>  >  ey
>>  > > >> > were done at part of the same process as the non-stunt
>>  performances
>>  > > were
>>  > > >> > filmed.  If the stunts were created in the dark room, or as part
>>  of
>>  > > >> > second unit, they would have been done at a later (or earlier)
>>  time,
>>  > > and
>>  > > >> > not in "real time".
>>  > > >>
>>  > > >> If mechanical or pyrotechnic special-effects are used then one may
>>  > > >> still say that the actors "did their stunts in real time." I think
>  > > > >> that pioneering film comedians like Harold Lloyd did use these types
>>  > > >> of special effects.
>>  > > >>
>>  > > >> A statement about whether or not a stunt is "real time" may refer to
>>  > > >> the manipulation of time. As Bill notes this manipulation can be
>>  > > >> performed in a dark room by combining sections of film shot at
>>  > > >> different times. If time is manipulated then the stunt is no longer
>>  > > >> "real time".
>>  > > >>
>>  > > >> For example, if a split-screen is used to record separate shots then
>>  > > >> the stunt would not be designated "real-time".
>  > > > >>
>>  > > >> Another example involves changing the frame-rate of the camera so
>>  that
>>  > > >> the action appears faster or slower. Speeding up or slowing down the
>>  > > >> frame rate would allow remarkable stunts but these stunts would not
>>  be
>>  > > >> "real time".
>>  > > >>
>>  > > >> I do not know, however, if the comedian Lewis Black was actually
>>  using
>>  > > >> the term in this way.
>>  > > >> Garson
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