real-time

Joel S. Berson Berson at ATT.NET
Tue May 3 00:21:50 UTC 2011 

Jon, are you sure CNN didn't way "The White House *watched* the
mission against Bin Laden in
real time."?  I'm sure I heard that at least once, accompanying the
still photo of Obama, Biden, et al. in ... a situation room?

Joel

At 5/2/2011 06:42 PM, Jonathan Lighter wrote:
>CNN reports that "The White House launched the mission against Bin Laden in
>real time."
>
>It seems to mean "using super electronic devices that allowed for
>instant communications between people in Washington and others in
>helicopters, in Pakistan, in Afghanistan, at sea, and God knows where-all
>else."
>
>That may be. But it's only a guess.
>
>JL
>
>On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Jonathan Lighter
><wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>wrote:
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> > This one seems conclusive.
> >
> > In CNN's discussion after the President's news conference this afternoon,
> > John Avlon of the _Daily Beast_ commented that Obama's tax compromise/
> > sellout/ epiphany/ Munich is "happening in real time in Washington."
> >
> > I.e., in actuality; moment-by-moment.
> >
> > JL
> > On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com
> > >wrote:
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> > > "Not part of a planned news report; naturally occurring":
> > >
> > > Greg Palkot, Fox News Channel (Nov. 2004)
> > > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,140445,00.html :
> > > I do a stand-up report amid a pile of rubble. Later, cameraman Pierre
> > says,
> > > "Greg ... did you know you were standing on somebody while you were
> > > speaking?"
> > >
> > > But now, we're about to walk into real-time terror.
> > >
> > > In another neighborhood, the young men of 2nd Squad =97 whom we've gotten
> > > t=
> > > o
> > > know pretty well in the last few days =97 come face to face with the
> > enemy.
> > >
> > > JL
> > > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Garson O'Toole
> > > <adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com>wrote:
> > >
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> > > > Subject:      Re: real-time (UNCLASSIFIED)
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > > In the past it was common for an internet accessible feed of stock
> > > > market prices to be delayed. If you wanted price data that was current
> > > > you had to pay extra. The premium service was typically called
> > > > "real-time quotes". The term meant roughly quotes without delay (more
> > > > accurately, it meant quotes without an artificially imposed delay.)
> > > > Here are two examples. I am sure it can be pushed back further:
> > > >
> > > > InfoWorld - Sep 17, 1984 - Page 32. Vol. 6, No. 38 - 80 pages -
> > Magazine
> > > >
> > > > He says that real-time quotes (which go on-line as they appear on
> > > > ticker tape) solve part of the problem, but many information services
> > > > offer only 15-minute delayed quotations.
> > > >
> > > >
> > http://books.google.com/books?id=3DGy8EAAAAMBAJ&q=3Ddelayed#v=3Dsnippet&
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cite: 1983 December 19, Milwaukee Sentinel, System Lets You Be Your
> > > > Own Broker, Part 2: Page 13 (GN Page 19), Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
> > > > (Google News archive)
> > > >
> > > > "You can receive real-time quotes, update and manage your portfolio on
> > > > a real-time basis," said Anderson.
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps this earlier simplified sense of "without delay" influenced
> > > > later usage. In the booking agent example (given previously on this
> > > > thread) the phrase "in real-time" could be replaced by "without delay"
> > > > from the viewpoint of this layperson.
> > > >
> > > > OED has the term. OED (DRAFT REVISION Sept. 2010) real time, n., adj.,
> > > > and adv. Chiefly Computing.
> > > > There are three definitions given. The booking agent example might fit
> > > > under A, but the definition is somewhat technical.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Jonathan Lighter
> > > > <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > Subject:      Re: real-time (UNCLASSIFIED)
> > > > >
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> > > > > Even if Black was using the phrase in semi-technical sense, others
> > > > aren't.
> > > > > I just saw a commercial for something called McGladrey that has an
> > > acto=
> > > r
> > > > > saying, "In this business, you have to know what's going on in real
> > > > time."
> > > > >
> > > > > Turns out he's playing golf and "in real time" can only mean "as it
> > > > happens;
> > > > > right now."
> > > > >
> > > > > Cf.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local-beat/Violence-Threatens-a-Popula=
> > > r-Vacation-Destination-94793264.html
> > > > > from
> > > > > last May:
> > > > >
> > > > >  "The State Department has issued a travel alert for Kingston, which
> > > is=
> > >  a
> > > > > distance away from the key vacation spots of Negril, Montego Bay and
> > > Oc=
> > > ho
> > > > > Rios. Still, many wonder if their beach getaways could be disrupted.
> > > > >
> > > > > " 'This is why I recommend talking to your booking agent so that you
> > > > > actually know what's going on, in real time, and what's happening at
> > > th=
> > > at
> > > > > point and time,' said Hird."
> > > > >
> > > > > In other words, "at that specific time."
> > > > >
> > > > > JL
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Garson O'Toole
> > > > > <adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com>wrote:
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> > > > >> Subject:      Re: real-time (UNCLASSIFIED)
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> > > > >>
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> > > > >> Jonathan Lighter wrote
> > > > >> >> "In reality rather than by means of special effects."  In a
> > feature
> > > > on
> > > > >> >> Turner Classic Movies, comedian Lewis Black explains that
> > > > >> >> Harold Lloyd and others "did their stunts in real time."
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Bill Mullins wrote:
> > > > >> > Stunts that were filmed as performed, rather than created in the
> > > > >> > darkroom, the stunts were in fact done in "real time" -- that is,
> > > th=
> > >  ey
> > > > >> > were done at part of the same process as the non-stunt
> > performances
> > > > were
> > > > >> > filmed.  If the stunts were created in the dark room, or as part
> > of
> > > > >> > second unit, they would have been done at a later (or earlier)
> > time,
> > > > and
> > > > >> > not in "real time".
> > > > >>
> > > > >> If mechanical or pyrotechnic special-effects are used then one may
> > > > >> still say that the actors "did their stunts in real time." I think
> > > > >> that pioneering film comedians like Harold Lloyd did use these types
> > > > >> of special effects.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> A statement about whether or not a stunt is "real time" may refer to
> > > > >> the manipulation of time. As Bill notes this manipulation can be
> > > > >> performed in a dark room by combining sections of film shot at
> > > > >> different times. If time is manipulated then the stunt is no longer
> > > > >> "real time".
> > > > >>
> > > > >> For example, if a split-screen is used to record separate shots then
> > > > >> the stunt would not be designated "real-time".
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Another example involves changing the frame-rate of the camera so
> > that
> > > > >> the action appears faster or slower. Speeding up or slowing down the
> > > > >> frame rate would allow remarkable stunts but these stunts would not
> > be
> > > > >> "real time".
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I do not know, however, if the comedian Lewis Black was actually
> > using
> > > > >> the term in this way.
> > > > >> Garson
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