real-time
Jonathan Lighter
wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM
Tue May 3 00:43:15 UTC 2011
Joel, this is not inconceivable. I saw exactly the segment you describe as
well and didn't hear anything unusual. The quoted ex. was uttered earlier
this morning by Pentagon Correspondent Barbara Starr.
I suppose I could have misheard it, though I was listening attentively.
(Uh-oh.)
However, "watching in real time" would be less ambiguous than "launching" in
real time. It can only mean they were watching as it happened. In that case
it's plain silly. "Real" time is the only time available.
JL
On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Joel S. Berson <Berson at att.net> wrote:
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> Jon, are you sure CNN didn't way "The White House *watched* the
> mission against Bin Laden in
> real time."? I'm sure I heard that at least once, accompanying the
> still photo of Obama, Biden, et al. in ... a situation room?
>
> Joel
>
> At 5/2/2011 06:42 PM, Jonathan Lighter wrote:
> >CNN reports that "The White House launched the mission against Bin Laden
> in
> >real time."
> >
> >It seems to mean "using super electronic devices that allowed for
> >instant communications between people in Washington and others in
> >helicopters, in Pakistan, in Afghanistan, at sea, and God knows where-all
> >else."
> >
> >That may be. But it's only a guess.
> >
> >JL
> >
> >On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Jonathan Lighter
> ><wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>wrote:
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> > > This one seems conclusive.
> > >
> > > In CNN's discussion after the President's news conference this
> afternoon,
> > > John Avlon of the _Daily Beast_ commented that Obama's tax compromise/
> > > sellout/ epiphany/ Munich is "happening in real time in Washington."
> > >
> > > I.e., in actuality; moment-by-moment.
> > >
> > > JL
> > > On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Jonathan Lighter <
> wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com
> > > >wrote:
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> > > > "Not part of a planned news report; naturally occurring":
> > > >
> > > > Greg Palkot, Fox News Channel (Nov. 2004)
> > > > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,140445,00.html :
> > > > I do a stand-up report amid a pile of rubble. Later, cameraman Pierre
> > > says,
> > > > "Greg ... did you know you were standing on somebody while you were
> > > > speaking?"
> > > >
> > > > But now, we're about to walk into real-time terror.
> > > >
> > > > In another neighborhood, the young men of 2nd Squad =97 whom we've
> gotten
> > > > t=
> > > > o
> > > > know pretty well in the last few days =97 come face to face with the
> > > enemy.
> > > >
> > > > JL
> > > > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Garson O'Toole
> > > > <adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com>wrote:
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> > > > >
> > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > > In the past it was common for an internet accessible feed of stock
> > > > > market prices to be delayed. If you wanted price data that was
> current
> > > > > you had to pay extra. The premium service was typically called
> > > > > "real-time quotes". The term meant roughly quotes without delay
> (more
> > > > > accurately, it meant quotes without an artificially imposed delay.)
> > > > > Here are two examples. I am sure it can be pushed back further:
> > > > >
> > > > > InfoWorld - Sep 17, 1984 - Page 32. Vol. 6, No. 38 - 80 pages -
> > > Magazine
> > > > >
> > > > > He says that real-time quotes (which go on-line as they appear on
> > > > > ticker tape) solve part of the problem, but many information
> services
> > > > > offer only 15-minute delayed quotations.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> http://books.google.com/books?id=3DGy8EAAAAMBAJ&q=3Ddelayed#v=3Dsnippet&
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Cite: 1983 December 19, Milwaukee Sentinel, System Lets You Be Your
> > > > > Own Broker, Part 2: Page 13 (GN Page 19), Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
> > > > > (Google News archive)
> > > > >
> > > > > "You can receive real-time quotes, update and manage your portfolio
> on
> > > > > a real-time basis," said Anderson.
> > > > >
> > > > > Perhaps this earlier simplified sense of "without delay" influenced
> > > > > later usage. In the booking agent example (given previously on this
> > > > > thread) the phrase "in real-time" could be replaced by "without
> delay"
> > > > > from the viewpoint of this layperson.
> > > > >
> > > > > OED has the term. OED (DRAFT REVISION Sept. 2010) real time, n.,
> adj.,
> > > > > and adv. Chiefly Computing.
> > > > > There are three definitions given. The booking agent example might
> fit
> > > > > under A, but the definition is somewhat technical.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Jonathan Lighter
> > > > > <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > Even if Black was using the phrase in semi-technical sense,
> others
> > > > > aren't.
> > > > > > I just saw a commercial for something called McGladrey that has
> an
> > > > acto=
> > > > r
> > > > > > saying, "In this business, you have to know what's going on in
> real
> > > > > time."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Turns out he's playing golf and "in real time" can only mean "as
> it
> > > > > happens;
> > > > > > right now."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cf.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local-beat/Violence-Threatens-a-Popula=
> > > > r-Vacation-Destination-94793264.html
> > > > > > from
> > > > > > last May:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "The State Department has issued a travel alert for Kingston,
> which
> > > > is=
> > > > a
> > > > > > distance away from the key vacation spots of Negril, Montego Bay
> and
> > > > Oc=
> > > > ho
> > > > > > Rios. Still, many wonder if their beach getaways could be
> disrupted.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > " 'This is why I recommend talking to your booking agent so that
> you
> > > > > > actually know what's going on, in real time, and what's happening
> at
> > > > th=
> > > > at
> > > > > > point and time,' said Hird."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In other words, "at that specific time."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > JL
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Garson O'Toole
> > > > > > <adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com>wrote:
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> > > > > >> Jonathan Lighter wrote
> > > > > >> >> "In reality rather than by means of special effects." In a
> > > feature
> > > > > on
> > > > > >> >> Turner Classic Movies, comedian Lewis Black explains that
> > > > > >> >> Harold Lloyd and others "did their stunts in real time."
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Bill Mullins wrote:
> > > > > >> > Stunts that were filmed as performed, rather than created in
> the
> > > > > >> > darkroom, the stunts were in fact done in "real time" -- that
> is,
> > > > th=
> > > > ey
> > > > > >> > were done at part of the same process as the non-stunt
> > > performances
> > > > > were
> > > > > >> > filmed. If the stunts were created in the dark room, or as
> part
> > > of
> > > > > >> > second unit, they would have been done at a later (or earlier)
> > > time,
> > > > > and
> > > > > >> > not in "real time".
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> If mechanical or pyrotechnic special-effects are used then one
> may
> > > > > >> still say that the actors "did their stunts in real time." I
> think
> > > > > >> that pioneering film comedians like Harold Lloyd did use these
> types
> > > > > >> of special effects.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> A statement about whether or not a stunt is "real time" may
> refer to
> > > > > >> the manipulation of time. As Bill notes this manipulation can be
> > > > > >> performed in a dark room by combining sections of film shot at
> > > > > >> different times. If time is manipulated then the stunt is no
> longer
> > > > > >> "real time".
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> For example, if a split-screen is used to record separate shots
> then
> > > > > >> the stunt would not be designated "real-time".
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Another example involves changing the frame-rate of the camera
> so
> > > that
> > > > > >> the action appears faster or slower. Speeding up or slowing down
> the
> > > > > >> frame rate would allow remarkable stunts but these stunts would
> not
> > > be
> > > > > >> "real time".
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I do not know, however, if the comedian Lewis Black was actually
> > > using
> > > > > >> the term in this way.
> > > > > >> Garson
> > > > > >>
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