Breaking doubled consonants into syllables

[Tom Zurinskas]

But when we say the word unnatural, it's with one "n" not two.  There's no vocal gap between them.   The same with non-native.  We combine the n's to one ~n sound.  So its ~unnacherool and ~naannaetiv (two consonants start a stressed syllable).  We could say these words splitting the n's with a pause, but that would be speaking ~unnacheroolee.
The ~n sound is the most frequent sound of US English (when all schwas are spelled out in their underlying sounds)

Tom Zurinskas, Conn 20 yrs, Tenn 3, NJ 33, now Fl 9.
See how English spelling links to sounds at http://justpaste.it/course2


 
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> On Aug 26, 2012, at 5:35 PM, Tom Zurinskas wrote:
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> > My take is that double consonants are never separated for syllabification if you go aurally.
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> Really?  To me reducing the geminates in the un- and non- cases would be un…natural, if not downright non…native.
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> LH
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> >  But if you go visually, then it's convenient to do.  I like to go aurally.One interesting is that double consonants can be a hint to stress.  They usually start a stressed syllable unless involved in suffixing according to the silent e rule.
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> > Tom Zurinskas, Conn 20 yrs, Tenn 3, NJ 33, now Fl 9.
> > See how English spelling links to sounds at http://justpaste.it/ayk
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> >> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 16:59:22 -0400
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> >> Any cases of compounding like these, where each word contributes its own consonant, do retain their pronunciation except sometimes in fast speech. (I can imagine "bookcase" either with or without a double /kk/, for example.)
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> >> LH
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> >> On Aug 26, 2012, at 4:37 PM, Benjamin Barrett wrote:
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> >>> Does the example of "bookkeeping" and related words help? There aren't many words in English with geminates, but they do exist.
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> >>> Benjamin Barrett
> >>> Seattle, WA
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> >>> On Aug 26, 2012, at 11:20 AM, Joel S. Berson wrote:
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> >>>> Is there a general rule about breaking English words with doubled
> >>>> consonants into syllables, either in speaking or in writing?  For
> >>>> example, "canning" would be spelled and pronounced "can-ning", with
> >>>> an N sound beginning the second syllable.
> >>>>
> >>>> My speech says such a rule is not applicable to speaking.  For
> >>>> example, I don't say "stop-ping" but rather -- I think --
> >>>> "sto-pping".  (For my "canning" I can't tell.)
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> >>>> But I assume it applies to writing.  Are their counter-examples?
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