origin of dese dem dose in NYCE

Ronald Butters ronbutters at AOL.COM
Sun Feb 12 15:52:37 UTC 2012


Isn't it the case that this phenomenon is by no means confined to New York? Did the Dutch settle Boston  and New Orleans too? And the situation is compounded by the fact that in syllable-final position, one also hears [f].


On Feb 11, 2012, at 8:02 PM, Dan Goncharoff wrote:

> I am very confused. I was under the impression that the use of
> articles starting with a d instead of th started in NYC about 350
> years ago, when the town was called New Amsterdam. The Dutch never
> left, and I suspect their influence on the NY accent didn't, either.
> 
> DanG

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