avenoo

[Paul Johnston]

And tensing that first vowel is where us Jersey kids differentiate ourselves from real city folk--we don't have that initial /ae/-tensing part of the rule, though we have the other parts of the /ae/-tensing rule.  But both /u/ and /ju/ can be heard in my home town too.

Paul Johnston
On Feb 28, 2012, at 12:57 PM, Michael Newman wrote:

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> As long as you tense your first vowel, it's all cool. I've heard both versions of the last vowel all my life.
> Michael Newman
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> On Feb 28, 2012, at 6:45 PM, Joel S. Berson wrote:
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>> At 2/28/2012 12:10 PM, Jonathan Lighter wrote:
>>> Not especially. It's pretty common everywhere in NYC, but mainly among
>>> blue-collar types (in my experience).
>>>
>>> Of course if you're tawkin' book-an'-movie stereotypes, I'd say yes. And
>>> Brooklyn even more so.
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>> Ah yes -- you've just reconnected some tired brain cells to "Flatbush
>> Avenoo".  Although I didn't talk much to Brooklynites -- and
>> certainly not to blue-collar types! -- in my youth, I did watch
>> stereotypical movies.
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>> Joel
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>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Joel S. Berson <Berson at att.net> wrote:
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>>>> Do Larry or Jon associate "a-ve-noo" with the Lower East Side (Dead
>>>> End Kids, etc.)?  I have a tendency in that direction.
>>>>
>>>> Joel
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>>>> At 2/28/2012 11:52 AM, Jonathan Lighter wrote:
>>>>> "Aven-yoo." Yup.
>>>>>
>>>>> JL
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>>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Joel S. Berson <Berson at att.net> wrote:
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>>>>>> I'm with Larry in all respects, including "aven-yoo".  Also native
>>>>>> NYC, and I haven't noticed any different in Bahston.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joel
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At 2/28/2012 12:13 AM, Laurence Horn wrote:
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> Funny how we make such different choices, if choices they are, as we
>>>>>>> glide through life, or don't.  It's always been "er-ju-dite" for me
>>>>>>> (< NYC), but I'm glideless in "garrulous" (awful name for a movie),
>>>>>>> as well as in "corrugate". Contra Pedro V, though, I do have a glide
>>>>>>> in "avenue", whether numbered (5th), lettered (C), or named (of the
>>>>>>> Americas).  None even imaginable in "rude" or "ruse", though--and
>>>>>>> I'm sure I'd boggle if I heard anyone else put a glide in those, at
>>>>>>> least on this side of the pond.  I've heard plenty of glides in
>>>>>>> "Tuesday", "news", and such, but I don't go in for them there myself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LH, native Noo Yorker (no, not Noo Yawka)
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